Jewish Feasts

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sean

The Law(10 commandments) were MY schoolmaster to lead me to Christ.

I was raised as a Catholic Gentile, being taught the 10. They condemned me daily when I grew older and fell into sins. I thought about them almost constantly and even banned myself from reading the Bible. I thought that "what I dont know wont hurt me". This is EXACTLY why I did not allow folks to witness to me. They were trying to show me I was a sinner through the Law.

It finally got the best of me as I began to repent of the sins that I learned were wrong FROM THE 10 Commandments.

Just think about what happened to me...the Law was the foundation of finding the Lord for me.

The New Birth came and I became FREE from the Law....

When you became free from the Law did it mean you could now violate that Law without consequence?

Because if the new birth makes us unaccountable to the commandments of God, then it is impossible for any Christian to ever backslide and be lost....

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Is that a yes?

Sabbath breaking is a sin because sin is transgression of the law of God. Adultery is a sin because sin is transgression of the law.

If something is NOT a sin then it is not a violation of God's commandments by definition. Eating deer meat in itself is not a sin because there is no commandment against it.

If however a person's conscience doubts whether an action is sinful or not, then "to him it is sin because it is not of faith and whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Further he is damned because he partakes NOT BY FAITH - which shows that lack of faith will bring damnation to a believer...

The converse however is NOT true, that something expressly forbidden by God in his word can become unsinful merely because the person believes it is not sinful. Jesus condemned the pharisees for things they believed were the will of God which in practice made the written command of God of no effect... kind of like how sunday traditions or antinomianism makes the fourth commandment of no effect...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

When you became free from the Law did it mean you could now violate that Law without consequence?

Because if the new birth makes us unaccountable to the commandments of God, then it is impossible for any Christian to ever backslide and be lost....

Brother, thank you for asking this question. I want to show you what I believe regarding the Law and the saint....Please feel free to ask me anything here. I am not on any kind of defensive mode here. It is based on Gal 5....

Galatians 5

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.(free from sin and the Law)

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. (this shows the Law is still in existence)

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (if we try to put ourselves back under the Law, this applies to us)

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.(this liberty is freedom from the Law, because we are dead to and free from sin)

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.(this is the "replacement" of the Law of Moses for us)

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (this is the key to living "free from" the Law...Walking in the Spirit)


17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.(if we walk in the Spirit, we ARE NOT under the Law)....But the following section is for those that are not walking in the Spirit, which puts them back under the Law by doing the works of the flesh....This can also apply to us if we live a "carnal" life in Christ(NOT led of the Spirit)....

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I see 2 ways for the born again saint to fall back under the Law....#1, backsliding into the "works of the flesh" and #2, trying to bring back the Law of Moses into our Christian experience.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.(this is the way to "measure" if we are walking in the Spirit for ourselves...Are we bearing the 9 fruits of the Spirit?...If so, we ARE walking in the Spirit and consequently, are under NO Law of the O.T.!)

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.(this is our ONLY way to stay FREE from the Law...to walk in the Spirit)

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.


Bro., I want to know All of the implications of walking in the Spirit, verses not walking in the Spirit.


I believe the Law is alive and well, ready to judge me if my "old man" is allowed off the cross, even for a day.

When the saint falls into sin, they must repent or they will be judged by the Law and lose their "FREEDOM", only to be judged under the Law and is therefore "fallen from Grace".


Your questions or comments are welcome here...

[Esaias]

What I see on this thread is a general lack of understanding what the simple word "law" means. Heads up - it depends on the context. The word is used to mean the pentateuchal writings, the commandments of God, the OT writings excepting the prophets, the OT writings in general, the Old Covenant, the teaching of Jesus, the teachings of the Pharisees, etc.

Context is important. Otherwise massive confusion and chaos result in errors compounding upon one another.


Here's a good primer:

https://www.biblegateway.com/resourc...-Obey-Gods-Law

http://rcg.org/articles/lg.html

http://reformed-theology.org/ice/new...e/be.05.79.htm

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What I see on this thread is a general lack of understanding what the simple word "law" means. Heads up - it depends on the context. The word is used to mean the pentateuchal writings, the commandments of God, the OT writings excepting the prophets, the OT writings in general, the Old Covenant, the teaching of Jesus, the teachings of the Pharisees, etc.

Context is important. Otherwise massive confusion and chaos result in errors compounding upon one another.



May I ask brother, are you a Hebrew Roots believer?


Here's a good primer:

https://www.biblegateway.com/resourc...-Obey-Gods-Law

http://rcg.org/articles/lg.html

http://reformed-theology.org/ice/new...e/be.05.79.htm

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[Esaias]

A saint cannot fall into sin unless the law is valid as defining obedience to God. Sin = transgression of the law. Thus for a saint to "fall into sin" means nothing else than for a saint to transgress the law. The two phrases mean the same thing.

Under grace and by faith we establish the law, through the spirit we fulfill the righteousness outlined by the law, being under grace we are forbidden to sin (break God's commandments), we know we love God if we keep his comandments, being under grace means sin (law breaking) shall not rule our lives, and neither circumcision nor uncircumcision matters but keeping God's commandments does.

[Sean]

Keep in mind folks, I dont believe in "partial Law"...its ALL or NOTHING...

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

[Esaias]

I am not a "hebrew roots" person because "hebrew roots" seems to be a code word for talmudist Christian. The talmud is the teaching of the sons of hell and we are instructed by Christ to beware of it.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I am not a "hebrew roots" person because "hebrew roots" seems to be a code word for talmudist Christian. The talmud is the teaching of the sons of hell and we are instructed by Christ to beware of it.

Thanks bro. I like to know what folks believe. I didnt think so, but I I dont know what many folks believe here yet.

I dont like to assume stuff about the brethren.(I think its the Moses pic bro.....lol)