Random Questions Thread

[Amanah]

My sweet Sister called me yesterday evening upset by the rise of Inflation, costs of gas and Insurance, ect. She said something that was shocking, "we are seeing the decline of America. Jesus doesn't care about America, He only cares about Israel"

I said, no, he cares about His Church, His Bride. The nation of Israel isn't in a covenant relationship with God. We, the church are.

[Amanah]

The plan of God always has been to use Israel to save all nations. When Israel through disobedience was invaded by the Assyrians, she became dispersed and integrated into the nations losing identity, becoming the nations.

Jesus, a Judean and ancestor of Abraham, is the salvation for all nations. Through the new covenant he is saving Israel. The true Israel of God, us.

[shag]

Good stuff. Good study topic


So I ran across this in my favorite book, Hebrews
Hadnt noticed it before.


Heb. 9:15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The plan of God always has been to use Israel to save all nations. When Israel through disobedience was invaded by the Assyrians, she became dispersed and integrated into the nations losing identity, becoming the nations.

Jesus, a Judean and ancestor of Abraham, is the salvation for all nations. Through the new covenant he is saving Israel. The true Israel of God, us.

I believe this is somehow related, although I will likely faill to communicate when I’m thinking.
God made every nation from one man, the first Adam.

Acts 17:24 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man,[c] 25 nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.
26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

And so through Christ, the true Israel, will all nations be blessed.
I don’t have the scripture for that, but I know you guys do, the healing of the nations or whatever. I’m learning as I go here…


This is interesting:
Mattews: Out of Egypt have I called my son.

Came from Hos.11:1
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son


https://www.ligonier.org/learn/devot...us,Coram%20Deo

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

I believe this is somehow related, although I will likely faill to communicate when I’m thinking.
God made every nation from one man, the first Adam.

Acts 17:26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place,

Acts 17:26 KJV
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

The bible says "made of one blood all nations of men", not "made from one man every nation of mankind".

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Acts 17:26 KJV
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

The bible says "made of one blood all nations of men", not "made from one man every nation of mankind".

The Alexandrian Text vs the Textus Receptus.

What the theological difference between one man vs one blood?
The concept of original sin?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

The Alexandrian Text vs the Textus Receptus.

What the theological difference between one man vs one blood?
The concept of original sin?

Original sin doctrine plays into it, note however the Latin Vulgate of the RCC and it's English translations do not say "of one man" but simply "made of one all nations" etc.

It's not that big of a deal except for the fact people read universal statements in the Bible and press them to the literal extreme which winds up creating contradictions with other parts of the Bible or with common sense.

Caesar declared "all the world is to be taxed" but the Mayans and the Chinese never got the memo.

[Amanah]

Hebrews 12 emphasizes the present reality of the New Covenant:


The Old Covenant's Limitations:

Hebrews 12:18-21
18 For you have not come to what may be touched, a blazing fire and darkness and gloom and a tempest 19 and the sound of a trumpet and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that no further messages be spoken to them. 20 For they could not endure the order that was given, “If even a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned.” 21 Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.”


The New Covenant's Present Reality:

Hebrews 12:22-24
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

[Amanah]

Acts 17:24-26
God... made from one man every nation of mankind (v. 26, emphasis on "one man," referring to Adam)

Genesis 3:20
Adam... was the father of all living.

Galatians 3:8
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, 'In you shall all the nations be blessed. (Galatians 3:8, referencing Genesis 12:3)

Matthew 2:15; Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son." (Hosea 11:1)
This passage originally referred to Israel's exodus from Egypt but is applied to Jesus in Matthew 2:15, signifying Jesus as the true Son of God.

1 Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

***

Through Abraham's seed, Jesus, all nations will be blessed:

- Genesis 12:3: "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (God's promise to Abraham)
- Genesis 22:18: "and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (reiteration of the promise)
- Galatians 3:8: "The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: 'All nations will be blessed through you.'"
- Galatians 3:16: "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ."

We are Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise:

- Galatians 3:29: "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
- Romans 9:8: "It is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring."
- Romans 4:13-16: "It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith... So the promise comes by faith, that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham."

These verses emphasize that Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham, and through faith in Jesus, we become Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise.

[shag]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Acts 17:24-26
God... made from one man every nation of mankind (v. 26, emphasis on "one man," referring to Adam)

Genesis 3:20
Adam... was the father of all living.

Galatians 3:8
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, 'In you shall all the nations be blessed. (Galatians 3:8, referencing Genesis 12:3)

Matthew 2:15; Hosea 11:1
When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son." (Hosea 11:1)
This passage originally referred to Israel's exodus from Egypt but is applied to Jesus in Matthew 2:15, signifying Jesus as the true Son of God.

1 Corinthians 15:45
Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

***

Through Abraham's seed, Jesus, all nations will be blessed:

- Genesis 12:3: "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you." (God's promise to Abraham)
- Genesis 22:18: "and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (reiteration of the promise)
- Galatians 3:8: "The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: 'All nations will be blessed through you.'"
- Galatians 3:16: "The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say 'and to seeds,' meaning many people, but 'and to your seed,' meaning one person, who is Christ."

We are Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise:

- Galatians 3:29: "If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
- Romans 9:8: "It is not the children by physical descent who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring."
- Romans 4:13-16: "It was not through the law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith... So the promise comes by faith, that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who have the faith of Abraham."

These verses emphasize that Jesus is the ultimate fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham, and through faith in Jesus, we become Abraham's seed and heirs of the promise.

But does the “is applied to Jesus” also make Jesus the true Israel?
Or just “we, the called out ones”, or both?