Should we still observe the sabbath?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

A closer look at Galatians, part 1.

Let's look more closely at what the issue(s) was/were in Galatia, shall we?

O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
(Gal 3:1-5)

The issue is receiving the Spirit (ie becoming a Christian, being "saved") by either the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith. This is the same issue addressed by Paul throughout Romans. The subject is NOT "as a Christian are you supposed to obey the commandments of God, or no?" The subject is "does justification come by the works of the law or by faith?"

For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
(Gal 3:10-12)

What does this mean? Does this mean that the man who obeys God is cursed? NO. It means that the man who seeks to be justified by his deeds ("works of the law") is under the curse, BECAUSE "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in ALL THINGS which are written in the book of the law to do them." In other words, if a person is going to be justified LEGALLY (by the works of the law) he can NEVER EVER VIOLATE ANY LAW OF GOD WHATSOEVER. If you go to court, charged with a crime (violating the law), to be "proven innocent", that is, to be justified legally, you have to show that you did not in fact violate the law. Granted, the American legal system demands the prosecution show beyond a reasonable doubt that you DID violate the law, but IF they show you did in fact violate the law, you CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED or acquitted. So it is with God, if you did in fact violate the law of God you cannot be justified. The only way to get justified is to receive a PARDON, which means it is acknowledged that you did in fact violate the law but the powers that be are going to FORGIVE the transgression and set aside the punishment due.

So anybody seeking to be justified by the law (that is, by the deeds of the law, seeking to be declared righteous or innocent due to their performance of the law) will fail, because the very law they seek to be justified by condemns them for their violations of the law. They have in fact violated the law, "all have sinned". So they are under the curse (the punishment, the condemnation, the sentence due to transgressors).

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
(Gal 3:13-14)

Now notice what we have in fact been redeemed from. It is "the curse of the law". We have not been redeemed from any moral obligation to obey God. If you are charged with a crime, and are given a pardon, you have been redeemed from the punishment of law. Does this mean you are now free to go out and break the law from now on? OF COURSE NOT. It doesn't mean you are "Free from the law" in the sense of being free from obligation to be law abiding (obedient). It means you have been freed from the PUNISHMENT DUE TO CONVICTED TRANSGRESSORS.

Keep this in mind: we have been redeemed from the CURSE of the law. We have not been redeemed from the moral obligation to obey God.

Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
(Gal 3:15-18)

A promise was made to Abraham and to his seed. This was a covenant God made with Abraham in Christ. "The law" came 400 hundred years later. Does this mean that prior to the coming of this "law" that there were no commandments of God? NO:

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
(Gen 26:4-5)

So then what "law" was added 430 years after the promise made to Abraham? It is not the laws of God, that is, His commandments, statutes, His "charge". It was the covenant made at Sinai.

We see now that the discussion is not about moral obligation to obey God's commandments, statutes, or laws, but is about obligation to the Sinaitic covenant. The inheritance (receiving the promise made to Abraham in Christ) is not "through the law". That is to say, it is not through the Sinaitic Covenant. This does not mean that inheritance of the promise rules out obedience to God's commandments. It means that inheritance is not based upon the performance of the Sinaitic law covenant. Which is to say it is not by the deeds or works of the law that one is justified (declared righteous, declared to inherit the promise given to Abraham). This was already covered and made clear just above, and clearly does NOT mean Christians are given license to dispense with the revealed will of God any more than a criminal being pardoned and given a place in society means they may henceforth dispense with obedience to the law of the land.

So you are saying the Sinaitic covenant is not Gods law. Well, The sabbath is part of the sinaitic covenant and not the promise of Abraham.

[good samaritan]

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A closer look at Galatians, part 2

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
(Gal 3:19)

Notice, the law was "added because of transgressions". This means there were transgressions taking place that required "the law" to be ADDED to the Abrahamic covenant. This "law" is clearly not meaning that God added commandments, statutes, and laws or regulations to govern human behavior, as if prior to this there were none. We know this because first of all Abraham kept God's commandments, His statutes and His laws! And second of all Paul elsewhere stated "where there is no law sin is not imputed", which is simple common sense. If there is no law, crime cannot exist, because crime is "violation of law". So if sin (crime, transgression) exists, there must some kind of law in place, otherwise nobody could be guilty of any transgression.

The Torah that Moses received was non existent during Abrahams days. If so Abraham was breaking the Torah early on.

Leviticus 18:9
The nakedness of thy sister, the daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, whether she be born at home, or born abroad, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover.

Have you got a scripture that proves Abraham had already been given the Ten Commandments or is this or is this your opinion?

So there were transgressions, prior to Sinai, people were violating God's laws, commandments, statutes. And so a "law" was added. We already know and have shown that what was added was the Sinaitic COVENANT. So the "law that was added because of transgressions" was the COVENANT at Sinai, which certainly INCLUDED and INCORPORATED the laws, commandments, and statutes of God (previously kept by Abraham as Moses recorded). But what was added was NOT some new law spun out of whole cloth that had never existed before - with the exception of the laws relating to sacrifice and offering. We'll get back to that in a moment.

Prove this

Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
(Gal 3:21-22)

Again, what "law" is being discussed? The various commands of God regulating human behaviour? No, it is the law that was added, the Sinaitic COVENANT. And the covenant was NOT against or contrary to the promises of God! Contrary to what many seem to think! Paul affirms that if a law could be given that would produce life it would have been THIS law (the Sinaitic Covenant). But notice what he says: Scripture has concluded ALL under sin - both the Judean and the gentile - so that the promise by faith might be given to "them that believe" - whether they be Judean (Sinaitic Covenant) or Gentile (outside the Sinaitic Covenant). This is the same thing Paul said in Romans:

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet are swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery are in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: There is no fear of God before their eyes. Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
(Rom 3:9-20)


What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
(Rom 4:1-16)

Nobody can have a legal justification. The gentiles are heathen outside the covenant with God, the Judeans were in covenant with God (via Sinai), and yet BOTH were determined by God to be all under sin, all guilty. What then is the result? The gentiles may become righteous apart from the Sinaitic Covenant because the Sinaitic Covenant ("Judaism") is rendered irrelevant. Both Jew and Gentile are under sentence of death as guilty, so there the Jew has no leg to stand on. Righteousness does not come by the Sinaitic Covenant, it does not come by the deeds of the law, it does not come by performance of the contract, it comes by FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST. So that the people outside the Sinaitic Covenant can come in just as easily as the people inside the Sinaitic Covenant, through faith.

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal 3:23-29)

Before faith came, we (namely the Judeans, of which Paul was one) were under the law. What law? The Sinaitic Covenant. He is not saying before faith came we were under the schoolmaster of moral obligation to obey God, but now that faith has come we may dispense with moral obligation to obey God and His commands. He is saying that before faith came we were under the schoolmaster of the Sinaitic Covenant, which was designed to teach us some things to bring us to Christ, to manage us until we came to Christ. Now that we we have come to Christ, we are no longer under that Covenant, we are under the new covenant, there is no longer "Judean and Greek". The distinction made between peoples based on whether they were members of the Sinaitic Covenant or not has been abolished as far as justification and righteousness is concerned. To take Paul's teaching and use it to conclude that as a Christian you may do away with the commands of God is to utterly wrest what Paul is saying.

You accuse me of not reading, but I am struggling to follow your logic. You are now saying that the siniatic covenant is not the law of God, but the siniatic Covenant is what Paul is speaking about Here in Galations? Where else did God command to keep the Sabbath other than Siniatic Covenent?

[good samaritan]

Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father. Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
(Gal 4:1-3)

Some try to twist this to mean that Paul is saying that the Sinaitic Covenant is the "elements of the world" and that it is in fact bondage, and conclude from that nonsense that trying to obey God is nothing less than to try to go back into worldly bondage. Utter insanity! Only SATAN would suggest that obeying God is "bondage".

So what is Paul saying? To what are people in BONDAGE? Are they in bondage to God's commandments? And Jesus came to set us free, so that Jesus came to set us free from God's commandments? What? This makes God to be satan! What blasphemy! Paul told us what people are in bondage to:

I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
(Rom 7:21-25)

People are in bondage to SIN. They are in bondage to transgression. Not bondage to God's commands, as if that could possibly be something bad. Even those who were in the Sinaitic Covenant were nevertheless in bondage to sin, as Paul here proves in Romans 7 and as Paul proved elsewhere which we quoted. Now notice:

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
(Rom 8:1-4)

Faith, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ, SETS PEOPLE FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF SIN AND DEATH. In Galatians Paul talked about being redeemed from the curse of the law by faith in Christ, and about being previously in bondage to "the element of the world" but being freed in Christ by faith. In Romans the SAME DISCUSSION, the SAME SUBJECT, is being talked about: being in bondage to the rule or dominion of SIN AND DEATH, ruling the individual through "the members" of their body, their flesh, and being made FREE from that rule by faith in Christ, by the power of the Spirit of life in Christ.

Paul is in NO WAY talking about being freed by Christ from moral obligation to obey God. He is talking about Christ freeing people from COMMITTING VIOLATIONS OF THEIR MORAL OBLIGATION TO OBEY GOD, being freed from the PENALTY FOR TRANSGRESSION, being freed from the BONDAGE OF SIN.

IOW, we are free from the law only if we never disobey it. I gotcha! We should now change our teaching to believe the gospel of Jesus and keep the law of Moses.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

This is enough reason for me to disregard what you teach concerning Galatians. The Galatians were pagans prior to becoming Christians. That is fact. They were returning to what they were before. Therefore, they were returning to paganism.

That is circular based reasoning -- not circular reasoning -- because your conclusion that Galatians were returning to paganism is an assumption NOT stated anywhere. And scholars abound who claim that they were going to a bondage similar to their bondage under paganism when they went in to the bondage under law. Paul never used the term mixing paganism with law anywhere. But that is a law-keeper's mantra not found in the epistles.

And once again NOTHING is said about MIXING paganism with Law in this entire epistle.

The FACTS are that the bondage of law was plainly stated in Gal 3. Tutors and governors of ch 4 were not paganism mixed with Law. ELEMENTS are necessary issues that speak of the elementary schooling of Law. You break the flow of of context from Gal 3 where LAW is said to be schoolmaster when you get into Gal 4 and force the passage to read that paganism mi was the elements of the world. They were elements of the world in the sense that the world shall pass, just as Law passed and their Israel's time under Law.

What proves this is the references that remain in ch4 and 5 where we read THE OLD COVENANT GENDERETH to bondage and ch 5 says LAW is bondage and stated the first thing to do to get into law, circumcision, so that one would be as those born in the land from Ex 12.

It's hoops to say that it is paganism mixed with law. IT IS LAW.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

(Brother Blume is typing and copying and pasting furiously as we read...)

I remember there was an Epleyism about brother Blume keeping reams of material on hand ready to be cut and pasted to overwhelm the unsuspecting opposition.

I never copied and pasted anything that was not written in this thread already. Most recently I copied from an earlier post IN THIS THREAD that I originally wrote while responding to YOUR posts, and you never responded to that point. So, I posted a SECTION from it again. And it is a dishonest fabrication for Epley to have said I want to overwhelm the opposition by such a method. LET'S NOT DITSRACT.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

My position doesn't make anybody anything. I just repeat what the Bible says: Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

But you distort the intent of verses like those in Col 2 where it plainly says sabbaths were a shadow of the body of Christ, and we need not be judged into keeping sabbaths because was have the body itself now.

[mfblume]

The Epistle to the Galatians is understood more, by far, than any existing view to be about the congregation having been influenced by Judaizers with Paul's corrections to them, and nothing about returning to paganism.

One scholar noted: Paul is concerned that the Galatians will be as bad off as pagans if they return to the Jewish law.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

IOW, we are free from the law only if we never disobey it. I gotcha! We should now change our teaching to believe the gospel of Jesus and keep the law of Moses.

Luke 1:74-75 KJV
That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, [75] In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Matthew 1:21 KJV
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:21-23 KJV
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

John 17:17 KJV
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Romans 2:13-15 KJV
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another

Romans 2:26-29 KJV
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27] And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law? [28] For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: [29] But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 3:30-31 KJV
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 6:1-2 KJV
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? [2] God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Romans 6:6-7 KJV
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. [7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:11-14 KJV
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. [12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. [13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. [14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Romans 6:15-16 KJV
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. [16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


Romans 6:17-18 KJV
But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. [18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 7:21-25 KJV
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. [22] For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: [23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. [24] O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? [25] I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Romans 8:1-4 KJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5-8 KJV
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. [8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Romans 8:12-14 KJV
Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. [13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. [14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Colossians 2:10-11 KJV
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: [11] In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Hebrews 8:8-10 KJV
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: [9] Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. [10] For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

Hebrews 10:14-16 KJV
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [15] Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, [16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

James 1:22-25 KJV
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. [23] For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: [24] For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. [25] But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

James 2:8-12 KJV
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: [9] But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. [10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. [11] For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. [12] So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 John 2:1-6 KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. [5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. [6] He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

1 John 3:4-10 KJV
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. [5] And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. [6] Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. [7] Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. [8] He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. [9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. [10] In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 John 3:21-22 KJV
Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God. [22] And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:2-4 KJV
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

[Esaias]

"The law of sin and death is that siniatic covenant you call it. That siniatic covenant is where we get laws concerning the Sabbaths."

Romans 7:22-23 KJV
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: [23] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

ANOTHER LAW.

A N O T H E R Law.

ANOTHER...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

So you are saying the Sinaitic covenant is not Gods law. Well, The sabbath is part of the sinaitic covenant and not the promise of Abraham.

I don't think you have been paying attention to what I have been posting. I explained all this numerous times.

One LAST time for you:

God's law is THE ENTIRE BIBLE. "Man shall live by every word of God". Thus, every word of God is the rule of conduct for man. A rule of conduct for humans is a "law". Thus, the entire Bible is God's law.

Within the Bible, the word "law" occurs numerous times, and there are DIFFERENT MEANINGS to the word depending on the context.

For example, the word "law" can refer to the Pentateuch as written literature, it can refer to the various commands of God, it can refer to the old covenant, it can refer to Judaism (the traditions of the elders aka the Talmud), it can refer to human decrees, it can refer to various customs practiced by various people groups and nations, etc. But in its widest theological sense it means the entire Bible as the final authority for faith and practice.

The laws of God, that is to say, God's commandments, statutes, etc, existed prior to Sinai and the old covenant. When the covenant was made at Sinai, they were incorporated into that covenant, along with the priesthood and the laws of sacrifice and offering.

With the new covenant, the laws of sacrifice and offering and priesthood underwent a change, from Levi to Melchizedek.

The moral laws of God which govern human behaviour, which were incorporated into the old Sinaitic covenant, were incorporated into the new covenant. In the old covenant at Sinai, they were written on tables of stone and copied into a book (the "letter"). In the new covenant they are written on the heart and placed into the minds of God's people. The old covenant could not produce obedience, because the law of God was EXTERNAL to the individual member of the covenant. The new covenant does produce obedience because the law of God is now INTERNAL to the individual member of the covenant.

I know full well you disagree with all of this, but I have seen that quite frankly you yourself don't even rationally know why you disagree or in what way, OTHER than by golly you are just not going to be remembering the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Your responses and statements and assertions and "reasons" are proof positive your doctrine is irrational, contradictory, and unscriptural. You keep making statements that demonstrate you simply don't seem to know what the Bible actually says (let alone what the Bible actually means). I mean, it is what it is.

As I said before, the more I interact with antisabbatarians, the more I hear and read their "arguments and proofs", the more I am convinced they absolutely have no idea what they are talking about.