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Old 02-10-2008, 05:20 PM
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Re: 1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?

Back to the original question.

The tulsa six has the right to tango in whatever manner they decide. The rest of us have the right to our own opinions based on the information provided.

If these men were members of a congregation who initiated a church split, we would be all over them as agents of satan. Since they are preachers, they get a free pass when they cause division and discord. The same devils used to call dissention and discord in local church splits are the same devils used to cause a rift in the organization. Scripture has plenty to say about their attitudes. None of it good...
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Old 02-10-2008, 06:27 PM
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Re: 1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?

I got a revelation tonight! Yeah, I really did.

I got a revelation that people need to leave this WPF situation alone and go about their own business. What's been done is done and nothing can be undone now. People will continue to do what they want to do and you get to do what you want to do.

Castigating and rock throwing, judging and criticizing won't change a thing. God is the Righteous Judge. His judgments are perfect because His knowledge and understanding is perfect. Our is imperfect, biased and jaundiced by politics, mindsets, inaccurate perceptions, and bias.

Divisions have always and will continue to take place within the body of Christ. And again, it depends on our own ideas of what is right and wrong on whether or not the division is good or bad.

Those of us all involved in ministry need to just go about the business of doing what God's will is for us personally and specifically and avoid getting caught up in whatever issue is going at any particular time.

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1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?

2 You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God.

3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

11 Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you–who are you to judge your neighbor?
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Re: 1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?

As I was driving to the Superstore earlier this evening I was thinking about how often folks ask someone "What church do you attend?" IMHO, the question should not be "Where do you attend church", but, "Are you serving the Lord with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength?"

I find so many people overly concerned about what church or organization one belongs to, rather than how someone is actually doing spiritually. One tends to do best spiritually when gathering with people who are like-minded and therefore a high level of unity and singleness of purpose.

God bless the WPF and all who have their spiritual needs met by being associated with them! God's blessing isn't confined to any one organization. I would feel out of place there, so I thank God for providing a place where I do feel at "home"!
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Old 02-10-2008, 07:11 PM
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As I was driving to the Superstore earlier this evening I was thinking about how often folks ask someone "What church do you attend?" IMHO, the question should not be "Where do you attend church", but, "Are you serving the Lord with your whole heart, soul, mind, and strength?"

I find so many people overly concerned about what church or organization one belongs to, rather than how someone is actually doing spiritually. One tends to do best spiritually when gathering with people who are like-minded and therefore a high level of unity and singleness of purpose.

God bless the WPF and all who have their spiritual needs met by being associated with them! God's blessing isn't confined to any one organization. I would feel out of place there, so I thank God for providing a place where I do feel at "home"!

Common sense just spoke here, folks.

Way too much emphasis on organizational identity.
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Common sense just spoke here, folks.

Way too much emphasis on organizational identity.
What church did you learn that in?
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What church did you learn that in?
I learned that a lot of folks place too much emphasis on organizational identity.

I don't know that it was any particular church that taught me that.
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What church did you learn that in?
Probably Brother Ogatt's!!!!!
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Common sense just spoke here, folks.

Way too much emphasis on organizational identity.
You are obviously just a rebellious person unable to submit to authority.*


*Or too cheap to pay dues.
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Re: 1> Did the Tulsa 6 have a right to start WPF ?

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Back to the original question.

The tulsa six has the right to tango in whatever manner they decide. The rest of us have the right to our own opinions based on the information provided.

If these men were members of a congregation who initiated a church split, we would be all over them as agents of satan. Since they are preachers, they get a free pass when they cause division and discord. The same devils used to call dissention and discord in local church splits are the same devils used to cause a rift in the organization. Scripture has plenty to say about their attitudes. None of it good...
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The only real documented problems involved the scheduling of conferences in the South. The old Jim Crow laws prohibited black ministers from staying at "whites only" hotels.

There were no doubt other issues on the minds of different individuals, but the real pressure to seperate along color lines really came from outside of the Pentecostal movement. When they did seperate, it was generally seen as a victory for "outside" forces and was a disappointment to those within the movement.

Most of the "anti-inter-racial marriage" sentiments came along later; about the same time that other new ideas were being introduced.
There were some outright racist WITHIN the pentecostal movement. I heard testimony from one who was alive during that era, he sat under Haywood.

It was a within issue.
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