The Bible is not the Word

shazeep · #1 10-31-2016, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
Jesus did not promise scripture as a guide. and no matter how you try to stretch the Timothy citation to cover it, neither does that. Jesus DID promise the Spirit and the ONLY way you can know that Spirit is by the "fruit," as your Bible also states.
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I think you are forgetting that he promised the bible too Nate to be our guide. I will provide a bible verse for this, if you can give me a few weeks.
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Jesus promised Scripture as a guide
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Reference?
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well, quite interesting. Christ is recorded saying the word "Word" exactly once, that i can see (and is not recorded saying the word Grace at all). Not that it can't be had by overwhelming inference; Word = God = Christ, for our purposes. or at least for mine. And yes, i am aware of the other interpretations of Word--i even prefer them, tbh--but Deut 30:10 down there pretty firmly connects Word the Bible, imo. only, there is no witness...lol. Hmm.

but the word of the Lord endures forever.

In God, whose word I praise

10when you obey the LORD your God by keeping His commands and statutes that are written in this book of the law and return to Him with all your heart and all your soul.
11“This command that I give you today is certainly not too difficult or beyond your reach.
12It is not in heaven so that you have to ask, ‘Who will go up to heaven, get it for us, and proclaim it to us so that we may follow it? ’
13And it is not across the sea so that you have to ask, ‘Who will cross the sea, get it for us, and proclaim it to us so that we may follow it? ’
14But the message is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may follow it.(OT)

But what does it say? "The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: (NT)

till what he foretold came to pass, till the word of the LORD proved him true

who testifies to everything he saw--that is, the word
of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

ok, so one of those. you have to infer it
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Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
Word=message=Christ in us
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
wow. The Bible is not the Word, is it. o...k

Bible Search: book

They read from the Book of the Law of God, making it clear and giving the meaning so that the people understood what was being read.

there is not even a sentence with the Book and the Word together. nowhere.

well, ty. ha. The...Book, is the Law then, it is not the Word?
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mind = blown there lol

http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...l#post46016470

shazeep · #2 10-31-2016, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by omega2xx

The can't be performed anymore because their is no temple, no tabernacle and no priest.

you don't think?
(and i'm the one who doesn't believe in the Bible :/)

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Originally Posted by omega2xx

Besides God prefers compassion,loyalty, and knowledge of God
He does that by guiding us into the truth.

shazeep · #3 11-01-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

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http://www.city-data.com/forum/chris...l#post46016470

mind = blown there lol

10when you obey the voice of the LORD your God, to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
11“For this commandment that I command you today is not too hard for you, neither is it far off.
12It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will ascend to heaven for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
13Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will go over the sea for us and bring it to us, that we may hear it and do it?’
14But the word is very near you. It is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you can do it.

and i guess furthermore, not only is the bible not the Word, the Word is not even...in the Bible; though i guess i'm going to have to find a better way to say that. His commandments and His statutes are not the Word, not nowhere, and although i'm trying, really hard, the commandments in v10 are not the commandment in v11, are they? They are even two different things. The commandment in v11 is to obey... well dang, nope, it is to turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

What a trip. Better to start at the bottom, and read it backwards, huh. Man, i have to fix a bunch of posts now lol, which i don't even know why i am still posting here
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 View Post
ok, but someone will say "the Message is the Gospel," what do you do with that? But ty guys, very much. I'm already pretty sure, at least i have a sneaking suspicion, that the Gospel is not in there either, is it. Not in the Bible, in a sense. Because the Gospel is the Word.

Bible Search: gospel word
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Inspired - Yes... infallible and inerrant - No.
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well, you haven't got me there yet, i gotta say. you found some fallible? you see some errant, pc? i mean after all, it is the Bible that is telling me It is not the Word. You would have to show me fallible. What i'm getting at the moment is "follow the Word, and you will follow the Book." Like, even if you didn't have a copy of the Book, that doesn't matter, if you follow the Word, you would be following the Book anyway. Can you shred that one any?
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i don't think you're going to find any fallible, because inspired.
which doesn't mean that you can't...find a mistake in the Book, but that is Operator Error, looks like to me. So, you can find a mistake in the Bible, but there are no mistakes in the Bible, see what you can do with that one.
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Are you aware of the inner guide in you ?. The inner guide that is our shepherd.
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yes, but this inner guide tells me that as much as i would like to discount the Bible, that is because i lack Wisdom, and do not know how to read It yet. Even Paul, which i am starting to decipher. Even if i am prepared to believe all things, where is the fallible?
even if i am getting closer, by the minute...because the Word is the Truth, and the Bible is not the Word, the Bible is the Law, and the Law is fallible...well dang. Lol.
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So the inner guide can only relate to you certain things . Your bible speaks far better things of the inner guide than the limitation you put on it.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx View Post
You can come out of the darkness you are sitting in if you become a fundamentalists.
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if meat can offend, it is only because one must learn the wrong way, before one can learn the right way, as hippies will verify imo.
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Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
Jesus did not promise scripture as a guide. and no matter how you try to stretch the Timothy citation to cover it, neither does that. Jesus DID promise the Spirit and the ONLY way you can know that Spirit is by the "fruit," as your Bible also states.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx View Post
The Bible does not say any of those things.

What is the Spirit going to guide us into if it isn't the Scriptures?
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all Truth
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If 2 Tim 3:16 is true, and every jot and tittle in the Bible is, then the Bible is our only source of truth from God.

We don't know the Spirit by the fruit of the Spirit, We know the Spirit when we believed teh gospel of our salvation and are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise(Eph 1:13).
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ya, no. i thought so too. not anymore. the Word is Truth, and the Bible is not the Word.
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Care to explain how something inspired by God can be fallible and errant?
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the way i am getting it now, is that the Bible is the Law, and the Law is fallible, in that it was brought to reveal sin, not lead you into all truth; which is what the Word does. I don't think they are saying that the Bible is wrong, or that It is mistaken, but that It is a Book of Law, and so It is...mis taken.
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Originally Posted by nateswift View Post
The book contains The Law, among other things, and part of the message is conveyed in the book, but no, it is NOT the message, or the Word.
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It is the baby food, iow. a baby has to learn the wrong way, so that the right way can be grasped. It is pointless to tell a toddler not to stick their hand in the fire, because they cannot understand why not until they experience "burn," and so as long as you do this, you are going to have to keep the baby on a leash (whoa) or something, give constant attention to baby, because the minute you turn your attention away, baby runs to fire, etc. Hmm. well ty, vm.
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When I start getting my ofrom hippies, it will go to them instead of to God.
"because hippies" means that you had to become a fundie first because if a Love Your Neighbor projector came up to you first with this, you would have rejected it, because hippies. You did reject it first. You got approached by a Love Your Neighbor--only of course they weren't saying that, because the Word is not the Bible, and they were completely finished with the Bible (if they ever even picked It up; irrelevant), they were saying some hippy sh_t, as far as you were concerned, and so then you went and got fundied--because Bible--to get Lawed--because Baby.

And you don't ever have to change if you don't want to; that is totally up to you. You have been saved when you have faith in Christ, when you walked through that blood-stained door, no longer a slave, out of Egypt, and you can die in the Wilderness, looking at a snake on a pole, or you can get to the Promised Land, which few find. Either way you have to take grandparents with you.

mfblume · #4 11-01-2016, 09:13 PM

Deep waters?

lol

Miry pit.

Psalms 40:6-8 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (7) Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, (8) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Oh no! He did not say that, did he? The volume of the Book? Can't be a BOOK.

shazeep · #5 11-02-2016, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Deep waters?

lol

Miry pit.

Psalms 40:6-8 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. (7) Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, (8) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Oh no! He did not say that, did he? The volume of the Book? Can't be a BOOK.

o...k i think you might be misunderstanding? Who said Christ is not in the Bible?

mfblume · #6 11-02-2016, 09:32 AM

No one. You said the bible is not the word of God.

Peter wrote that the scriptures are no private interpretation of man, but prophets and writers wrote as they were moved on by the Holy Ghost. That makes it the word of God.

Drop mic...

mfblume · #7 11-02-2016, 10:00 AM

Bible is God's Word:

2Pe 1:19-21....We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: ..(20)....Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. ..(21)....For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

1Pe 1:10-12....Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: ..(11)....Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ..(12)....Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

2Ti 3:16....All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

These next verses show that, in this case, old testament scriptures were not man's words, but the Spirit of God's words:

Heb 10:15....Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

Heb 3:7....Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,

Rom 3:2....Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Heb 9:8....The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:

If the bible is not the word, then the Holy Ghost never said anything to anyone to write.

shazeep · #8 11-02-2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

No one. You said the bible is not the word of God.

yes, i know. well, i didn't know, then, i was just pretty sure. but now i know, now. Have you answered that post? Should i save you some time? Go to Deuteronomy, that Book that got lost in the Temple, right under the altar. 30:8...i think (oops; i meant DOTDOTDOT. SEE THE PROBLEM oops with reading from a Book? it's right there, in the DOTDOTDOT). ha, i'm rambling now, very tired, that doesn't even make any sense. You should prolly ignore...well, i don't know. But i know the other part, Mike Blume. The Word is what made...caused...manifested the Book, go look. Cart before horse, of course. The Book is not the Word. Read it backwards, if it helps. tHE wORD GOT PUT INTO LANGUAGE, dang it, and there is a...different way to read or hear words, isn't there. the Word is not like that. <edit>So, i went and searched "lost book" and i don't see it, but something about a lost Book, lost by some guys in Levi's, whose whole job was to keep the Books? something something torn clothes, ya that's all i got bye

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Peter wrote that the scriptures are no private interpretation of man, but prophets and writers wrote as they were moved on by the Holy Ghost. That makes it the word of God.

Drop mic...

you just proved my point, Mike. Bob would have done just as well<edit>once he got the Word, because no person wrote the Book. Drop that Mic, bro.

<edit> ok, dotdotdot meaning "continued," sorry. got a half hour's sleep, i'm a little better now. Didn't even realize it was this thread lol. Sorry i can't help much on the lost Book, thing, i'm light on the OT. something about torn Levi's? lol, right man, how can Levi, that's it, duh, lose a Book? He's like 1000 guys right, whose whole job is to...memorize the dang Book, Mike. Didn't they basically sit around and knosh that stuff all day long? 100 at a time? old ones dying, new ones coming? k, i gotta get off this pc; but once you've tasted the old wine, you'll see It's better ok.
Good night.