Sabbath and bible feasts

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

In some manuscripts sabbaton is plural.

Which ones?

"First of the weeks"? What weeks?

How does the Greek Bible specify the first day of the week?

[Amanah]

Thanks Esaias!

[Tithesmeister]

Some sabbaths don’t fall on Saturday.

[Tithesmeister]

Some weeks have two sabbaths.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Some sabbaths don’t fall on Saturday.

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Some weeks have two sabbaths.

The annual Sabbaths are movable feasts, meaning they can fall on any day of the week. The weekly Sabbath is not movable, every seventh day of the week is the weekly Sabbath. And thus, a particular week may have more than one Sabbath (the weekly Sabbath plus one of the annual Sabbaths). I suppose it would even be possible to have a week with three Sabbaths - the tenth day of the seventh month is a Sabbath (Day of Atonement), and the 14th day of the seventh month is also a Sabbath (first day of Tabernacles). So theoretically, those two days could fall in the same week, in which there would also be the weekly Sabbath. So three Sabbaths in one week.

Atonement on Monday, Tabernacles 1 on Thursday, then the weekly Sabbath on Saturday. Or something like that.

[Monterrey]

I have seen that those who get caught up in a physical sabbath usually quit speaking in tongues. Seen it time and time again.

Now they might start off saying that they are going to keep both but when they emphasize the physical sabbath they quit following the spiritual sabbath, the rest or the Holy Ghost.

Just my .02

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

I have seen that those who get caught up in a physical sabbath usually quit speaking in tongues. Seen it time and time again.

Now they might start off saying that they are going to keep both but when they emphasize the physical sabbath they quit following the spiritual sabbath, the rest or the Holy Ghost.

Just my .02

Brother I’m not an observer of the Sabbath. My point in bringing it up was that without the high Sabbath, the timeline of the burial (three days in the earth) does not work. The math is off.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Brother I’m not an observer of the Sabbath. My point in bringing it up was that without the high Sabbath, the timeline of the burial (three days in the earth) does not work. The math is off.

The timeline of the burial does not mean and cannot actually be a complete literal 3 whole days in the earth. Why? Because He rose "the third day" which if He was buried for 3 24-hour periods He would have risen "the fourth day".

He was crucified on a Friday, in the grave for the Sabbath (which was both a weekly Sabbath and the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread) and rose the next day (which was the first day of the week and the third day counting from the Crucifixion and which also corresponded to the waving of the sheaf of firstfruits in the Temple).

Wednesday and Thursday crucifixions simply don't fit ALL the data and statements about the timelines.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The timeline of the burial does not mean and cannot actually be a complete literal 3 whole days in the earth. Why? Because He rose "the third day" which if He was buried for 3 24-hour periods He would have risen "the fourth day".

He was crucified on a Friday, in the grave for the Sabbath (which was both a weekly Sabbath and the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread) and rose the next day (which was the first day of the week and the third day counting from the Crucifixion and which also corresponded to the waving of the sheaf of firstfruits in the Temple).

Wednesday and Thursday crucifixions simply don't fit ALL the data and statements about the timelines.

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Crucified Thursday. Friday a high Sabbath. In the earth Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night. Resurrection on Sunday. I think this is right. Close anyway. The day starts at sundown? Sunday would be the third day.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Crucified Thursday. Friday a high Sabbath. In the earth Thursday night, Friday night and Saturday night. Resurrection on Sunday. I think this is right. Close anyway. The day starts at sundown? Sunday would be the third day.

But you forgot the three DAYS as well. Friday day, Saturday day, SUNDAY DAY = 3 days in the tomb. Thus, resurrected after sundown Sunday night. Which in turn means raised on the 4th day (the second day of the week, since after sundown on Sunday evening would technically and Biblically be the beginning of the SECOND day of the week).

So the Thursday crucifixion doesn't fit all the data, and is internally inconsistent (since the Thursday proponents demand a literal 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, which clearly makes "raised the third day" impossible by any stretch).

The Wednesday crucifixion suffers similar problems but worse. Crucified on Wednesday, in the tomb Wednesday night (1 night), Thursday day (1 day), Thursday night (2 nights), Friday day (2 days), Friday night (3 nights), Saturday day (3 days), then raised on Saturday night (the beginning of the first day of the week). BUT this means He was raised "the fourth day" once again, and not as the Bible plainly says "the third day".

The only way to have "3 days and 3 nights" AND "raised the third day" is to use partial days/nights for the "3 days and nights" which is in fact Biblical (this type of counting was used in the old testament, see 1 Kings chapter 12 and Esther chapters 4 and 5). Additonally, Luke 24:21 shows that the disciples used inclusive reckoning by counting Sunday as the "third day since" the crucifixion, which would be impossible if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday (it would be the fourth day).

The Friday crucifixion satisfies all the data points - "3 days and 3 nights" is a euphemism for basically "the day after tomorrow" which would be the "third day" - AND which happened to be the first day of the week. The other two views create inconsistencies with both the narrative and themselves.