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03-11-2007, 10:34 PM
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Further more .... may of the modern worship songs are based on the Psalms and other scriptures ... um ... how more biblical do you want? ... Eliseus
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That was not my point.
My point is not to justify any song. My point was to get some discussion going about the THEOLOGY OF MUSIC.
Unfortunately, this thread is entirely due to a lapse on my part. See, I had this fantastical delusion that modern Pentecostals might be interested in THEOLOGY, that they might have a desire and a capability to rise above the cliche'd religion of mindless traditionalism... but how silly of me. I should have known better.
Back to the hair threads, I guess.
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03-11-2007, 10:37 PM
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That was not my point.
My point is not to justify any song. My point was to get some discussion going about the THEOLOGY OF MUSIC.
Unfortunately, this thread is entirely due to a lapse on my part. See, I had this fantastical delusion that modern Pentecostals might be interested in THEOLOGY, that they might have a desire and a capability to rise above the cliche'd religion of mindless traditionalism... but how silly of me. I should have known better.
Back to the hair threads, I guess.

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Here's some theology then ... Sing unto Lord a NEW SONG ....
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03-12-2007, 04:52 AM
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Theology is a great topic. Music is a great topic. As I indicated in another post, the thread starter seems to be all over the place.
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That was not my point.
My point is not to justify any song. My point was to get some discussion going about the THEOLOGY OF MUSIC.
Unfortunately, this thread is entirely due to a lapse on my part. See, I had this fantastical delusion that modern Pentecostals might be interested in THEOLOGY, that they might have a desire and a capability to rise above the cliche'd religion of mindless traditionalism... but how silly of me. I should have known better.
Back to the hair threads, I guess.

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07-12-2010, 08:57 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
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I see that all but one respondent has utterly missed my entire point.
Perhaps I should attempt to restate the focus here - "If we were to develop a Biblical theology or doctrine of church music, what would it (the doctrine) look like?"
Or in other words... What does the Bible teach us about....
Oh never mind. I don't know why I do this.
Forget about it. Those who stumble on this and read it, and understand what I am getting at, will undoubtedly pursue things on their own, whether I make threads here or not.
The rest will simply continue to be just another statistic in the great wasteland of "modern Pentecostalism".
Cheerio, mates.
You want to develop a doctrine for church music ... Eliseus ... just get on the trampoline and jump .....
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Thats great!
Coming from the darkness of the world, enjoying such bands as Queens Ryche, Metallic, Pant-era and Snoop Dog, I have found the whole concept of "Black Gospel" to be quite annoying, and difficult to understand at times... far reaching for some "New Converts to be honest... something should be done!
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07-17-2010, 12:09 AM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
First of all for the legalists among us. These are not hard fast rules, they are guidelines or suggestions. Also, I apologize in advance for any ambiguity found in this proposed music theology and will do my best to pinpoint my position if asked.
Here's where to start:
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
#1. Use the psalms. Very few of the old hymns do this, you have to use new music to make this happen.
#2 Use the hymns. Amazing Grace is an awesome song. So is He Brought Me Out. My question here is, what makes a song a song and what makes a hymn a hymn?
#3. Use spiritual songs. Does it preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified? It's probably spiritual then unless it has the term Superstar in it somewhere. The lyrics should teach and admonish.
Jeffro 2:2 The genre argument is going to get you no-where. About the time you decide that God only smiles on one particular style, you're going to run into a worship leader/church band that can't/won't use that style or travel to a foreign country where all they have are drums and tambourines and God still blesses them. David used a harp. If it sounds anything like some of the ones in the Christian movies that I have watched, it is obvious that God doesn't care.
Point to ponder: The only relief from demonic oppression listed in the Old Testament was through music. Not a prophet. Not an angel. Not a Priest. A musician. If you are involved in music for your church, you better take it seriously, because you're taking the devil's old job as worship leader.
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07-17-2010, 09:33 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
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I notice that there is a decided lack of a modern apostolic theology of music among our people. By "apostolic theology of music" I mean a framework of the apostles' teaching concerning music, a Biblical philosophy of music if you will.
So then, what do we need in order to have a truly Biblical theology of music? What are the areas of inquiry we should begin with, and what is the method we should approach the subject with? And what are your thoughts on this?
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Do you think the music and style of singing stayed the same from the time of Adam to the time of Paul?
Problem, all you can do is "think" because God did not find it important to let us know. Why don't we stick with what God DID make sure everyone understood, instead of trying to come up with more theology?
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07-17-2010, 09:42 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
If you want to start a list, as if somehow it shows God's approval for certain kinds of music, then start with the music David liked was music he could dance to.
Problem again, just because David danced to one tune, doesn't mean all the music he sang had music that people could dance to.
All this trying to make up stuff we know nothing about is such a waste of time! Again, if we would just focus on what is obvious and without debate, people that call themselves Christians would not be attacking other "Christians" just because they don't agree with them.
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07-17-2010, 10:36 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
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... if we would just focus on what is obvious and without debate, people that call themselves Christians would not be attacking other "Christians" just because they don't agree with them.
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That's an excellant thought; However, I have yet to find a single doctrinal issue which is "obvious and without debate". No matter how clear a doctrine is, nor how many, or few, scriptures support it, there will be some Christians, or "Christians", who will debate it.
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07-18-2010, 09:03 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
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That's an excellant thought; However, I have yet to find a single doctrinal issue which is "obvious and without debate". No matter how clear a doctrine is, nor how many, or few, scriptures support it, there will be some Christians, or "Christians", who will debate it.
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How True!
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07-18-2010, 11:03 PM
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Re: Apostolic "theology of music"?
I like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5dSIL358NM
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