Holiness?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I saw someone with this signature hereabouts.



Have to disagree with the last phrase. Jesus was made holiness for me. If I have Jesus, I have holiness. All I have to practice to be holy is obedience for salvation.

I have to work holiness out into my behaviour, but I already have holiness, as such, before I do ANYTHING for the Lord.



Thoughts?

Yes, we are made perfect through him. Many in OP struggle with this.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

thank you

So to be holy we have to separate ourselves from the sin of the world?

No. It is BECAUSE we are holy we separate from some things.

[Michael The Disciple]

17: Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18: And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor. 6:17-18

Our concepts need to match the Apostles words. He will be our Father if we come out of sin and separate ourselves from the unclean.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

17: Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18: And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor. 6:17-18

Our concepts need to match the Apostles words. He will be our Father if we come out of sin and separate ourselves from the unclean.

This is contrast from bastards and sons, I think. Born again, alright, but not living the life. We are holly solely because we were born again. If we do not live a holy life, that is another story altogether, and we are not living what we are. But we ARE holy.

[Joelel]

This is holiness,when we make every effort.Some people think we don't have to do anything.Some people think I'm saved by faith,I'm holy because he's holy,I can live any life of sin because I believe,anyone who believes these lies are very deceived.

Make every effort,something we do.

2 Peter 1:5: And beside this, giving all diligence, (MAKE EVERY EFFORT)add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;6: And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;7: And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.8: For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.9: But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.10: Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence (MAKE EVERY EFFORT)to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall

Control your mind,something we do.

Philp.4:8: Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things

2 Cor.10:3: For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:4: (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds5: Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Something we do.

Heb.13:15: By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name

Something we do again.

Eph.4:21: If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:22: That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;23: And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24: And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness

We have to do alot,the Holy Ghost don't just up and make us holy because we believe in him.

Phip.2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus

1 cor.15:33: Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

2Tim2:16: But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

1 Thes.5:22: Abstain from all appearance of evil

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

17: Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18: And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. 2 Cor. 6:17-18

Our concepts need to match the Apostles words. He will be our Father if we come out of sin and separate ourselves from the unclean.

That is some good scripture,come out from amoung them.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joelel

That is some good scripture,come out from amoung them.

It is helpful to look at the way in which God dealt with Israel and to see it as a type of the manner in which He deals with the Christian believer today. For example, the children of Israel were told to make themselves holy.

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Leviticus 11:43-45

Here we see one of the ways that Israel was to make itself holy - through obedience to the dietary laws. They were commanded to make themselves holy through a variety of social customs as well. All of these laws were given so that the lives of the Israelites would remain distinct from the lives of the nations surrounding them.

But the reason why they were holy in the first place is given in numerous portions of the Law as well. One example of this is Deuteronomy 7:6-8.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

God had chosen Israel. It was the act of God selecting them that set Israel apart from eveyone else. The same condition exists for the believer in Jesus Christ. We are chosen by God (Ephesians 1:4) to produce good works in Christ (Ephesians 2:4-17).

There is an important nuance here. We are not holy because we do good things and deserve the label of "holy." We do not become "more holy" by being "better" in our conduct than other believers. No, we are holy because God has chosen us to produce good works in Christ. Our identity begins with God's sovereign selection to save us. We then maintain that identity by our conduct (Romans 6:22).

It is imperative that we begin all discussions of holiness with the fact that Jesus Christ is the only human being who truly deserves that appellation. Everything that is holy about us we receive as a free gift from Him. We cannot ever earn everlasting life.

Consider that even after the "bride of Christ" had "made herself ready," a special grace had to be "granted" that she "should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white" (Revelation 19:7-8). Even after all of her works, she didn't deserve to be dressed in white. But Christ's righteousness made the difference for her.

[Rev]

Originally Posted by pelathais

It is helpful to look at the way in which God dealt with Israel and to see it as a type of the manner in which He deals with the Christian believer today. For example, the children of Israel were told to make themselves holy.

Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby. For I am the LORD your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. For I am the LORD that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

Leviticus 11:43-45

Here we see one of the ways that Israel was to make itself holy - through obedience to the dietary laws. They were commanded to make themselves holy through a variety of social customs as well. All of these laws were given so that the lives of the Israelites would remain distinct from the lives of the nations surrounding them.

But the reason why they were holy in the first place is given in numerous portions of the Law as well. One example of this is Deuteronomy 7:6-8.

For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

God had chosen Israel. It was the act of God selecting them that set Israel apart from eveyone else. The same condition exists for the believer in Jesus Christ. We are chosen by God (Ephesians 1:4) to produce good works in Christ (Ephesians 2:4-17).

There is an important nuance here. We are not holy because we do good things and deserve the label of "holy." We do not become "more holy" by being "better" in our conduct than other believers. No, we are holy because God has chosen us to produce good works in Christ. Our identity begins with God's sovereign selection to save us. We then maintain that identity by our conduct (Romans 6:22).

It is imperative that we begin all discussions of holiness with the fact that Jesus Christ is the only human being who truly deserves that appellation. Everything that is holy about us we receive as a free gift from Him. We cannot ever earn everlasting life.

Consider that even after the "bride of Christ" had "made herself ready," a special grace had to be "granted" that she "should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white" (Revelation 19:7-8). Even after all of her works, she didn't deserve to be dressed in white. But Christ's righteousness made the difference for her.

Christ is the white garment. Right?

(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


(Rom 13:14) But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Rev

Christ is the white garment. Right?

(Eph 4:24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.


(Rom 13:14) But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

(Gal 3:27) For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

It is His righteousness as you have shown.

Since this passage goes on to describe this white linen as "the righteousness of the saints," it stands to reason that "the righteousness of the saints" is a free gift.

We can do all that we're able to humanly do to "make ourselves ready;" but we still need that gift to be called the "bride of Christ."

[Rev]

Originally Posted by pelathais

It is His righteousness as you have shown.

Since this passage goes on to describe this white linen as "the righteousness of the saints," it stands to reason that "the righteousness of the saints" is a free gift.

We can do all that we're able to humanly do to "make ourselves ready;" but we still need that gift to be called the "bride of Christ."

"I didn't say "Christ is the white garment"

Nope you didn't say it I did.