Hillary's real agenda!!!!!!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Ferd

LOL! BOOM, clearly you have avoided anything Ive ever written on the subject of politics.

I told Thad he could not go to heaven if he voted for Hillary!

Thad did not vote until this year thinking he was getting new freeways to go even faster on.

Originally Posted by Ferd

come on Esther, look around that site. It reminds me of the homeless guy on the street corner preaching the end of the world.

Just because a nut case agrees with me on some stuff, doesnt mean I am going to excuse them for being crazy.

and a big article bagging on Abe Lincoln? the guy has been dead for a hundred and forty seven years! good grief. what was the point of that?

Some of us who have studied Abe think he was a good president.

Unlike the current BIG Government Resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Ferd

who cares? your big point of the day is about how a 147 year dead guy didnt love Jesus?

and that is your BIG POINT? I need to try to refute this?

do you think this is actully an important argument to make in Amareica right now? "Abe hated Jesus and other reason why you should listen to what I have to say"

yea that is going to be my approach to getting the American public behind me.

How many times have we heard of Honest Abe and he is portrayed as almost American deity. He's very prominent in our history and had a profound effect. Not just some dead guy.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

How many times have we heard of Honest Abe and he is portrayed as almost American deity. He's very prominent in our history and had a profound effect. Not just some dead guy.

Yes, as an American deity. I wonder if people know he said this during his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in 1858:

"I will say that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they can not so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

He told Horace Greeley that is he could save the Union by freeing the slaves he would do so; if he could save the Union by freeing no slave he would do that; and if he could save the Union by freeing some slaves and leaving other in bondage, he would do that too.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

How many times have we heard of Honest Abe and he is portrayed as almost American deity. He's very prominent in our history and had a profound effect. Not just some dead guy.

who cares how many times we have heard about honest Abe? scoring points on the dead guy gets people to take you seriously? come on RD, really.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, as an American deity. I wonder if people know he said this during his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in 1858:

"I will say that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they can not so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."

He told Horace Greeley that is he could save the Union by freeing the slaves he would do so; if he could save the Union by freeing no slave he would do that; and if he could save the Union by freeing some slaves and leaving other in bondage, he would do that too.

once more for feeling.... who cares?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

once more for feeling.... who cares?

Well, it appears I do since I typed it - ya think?

TGIF for you, Ferd?

[ReformedDave]

That's right Ferd. Forget history. That's so yesterday.........

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, it appears I do since I typed it - ya think?

TGIF for you, Ferd?

PO, why do you care? what is the reason behind careing?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Ferd

PO, why do you care? what is the reason behind careing?

For it being TGIF for you? Because sometimes you are just plain rude and you need the weekend off or something.

Sincerely and full of love,
PO

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

That's right Ferd. Forget history. That's so yesterday.........

being a former history major, i do care about history.

the point here is you have a website out there trying to be an influence in American politics.

they have as a bullet point on their resume " we think Abraham Lincoln was the devil"

RD and PO, do either of you think this is the way to go about winning friends and influencing people? because from all I know about politics, that just dont seem like the way to go about your business.

here are the pionts of interest to me personally.

I agree with these folk in principle on a number of issues. On issues that i find important, I tend to want to win at the ballot box. winning at the ballot box becomes important. I dont want people who I agree with, doing things that will cause my side to loose.

Getting linked to the "Kooks that think Abraham Lincoln was the devil" doesnt help you win at the ballot box.

Guys, AL was responsible for more American deaths than any other person in history. He did not think black people were genetically equal to white people. (this would be the definition of a racist).

He is the only president to suspend (or come close to) suspending the constitution.

He in fact was known for not following up on promises.

He fired God only knows how many generals until he came up on a guy that would throw his own men away like so much trash....but won because he didnt mind playing a numbers game.

Would you like for me to go on? i could. I could also run down a few things he did well....

but. If I want to score political points, and get people to vote for my guy, I am NOT leading with "Abraham Lincoln didnt like Jesus"