jax, I read the explanation given here that the officer still wanted him to leave so that he could conduct a search of the house for "real perpetrators". There is nothing in the incident or the police report to remotely suggest that. Trying to get the man to exit the house after he had established he was the homeowner and that it was in fact he who was locked out and had just been seen trying to get in should have ended the situation.
Saying now that he still wanted the man to leave so he could conduct an investigation is disengenuous at best, and nothing in his report or in the chain of events supports this. Once they handcuffed the professor, they did not in fact search for the perpetrators.
Many people are saying that regardless of how irate the professor was as long as he did not physically attack the officers, they should have left once he satisfied the issue of his identity and the fact that they were their mistakenly and for no real cause.
I am doing what I always do, giving the police the benefit of the doubt that they try to work for our protection. I think it is not disengenuous to think that what he wanted to do is make sure the house was clear. I would hope they would do that. As I said before we waited 12 hours for someone to show up for us and we had been broken into. We had to clear the place ourselves. Not something I want to doing again.
I am doing what I always do, giving the police the benefit of the doubt that they try to work for our protection. I think it is not disengenuous to think that what he wanted to do is make sure the house was clear. I would hope they would do that. As I said before we waited 12 hours for someone to show up for us and we had been broken into. We had to clear the place ourselves. Not something I want to doing again.
Jax, I understand that, and I am certainly not against the police as well. I'm just saying that there is absolutely nothing that even remotely suggests that he wanted to bring the professor out so he could search the house. There was no search and even the officer's own report shows that within a short while they understood where the mix up had been. If the concern was getting him out so they could search for real perpetrators, they would had done so once they got him out.
I would be very surprised if he now said that he wanted the professor to come out of the house so that he could search it...and it would be difficult to believe.
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Tstew, where did you read that the officer asked Gates to leave the house?
I read the police report and I didn't read that to be the case. I thought I remembered that Gates followed the police officer outside the house as the officer was leaving, down the stairs, and onto the sidewalk in view of the public. In view of the public, Gates continued to loudly challenge the officer and cause a scene.
If he did that, IMO, Gates was rightfully arrested. Anyone who is beligerent and loud to a police officer in public, can expect to be arrested for disorderly conduct, I'd say.
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Tstew, where did you read that the officer asked Gates to leave the house?
I read the police report and I didn't read that to be the case. I thought I remembered that Gates followed the police officer outside the house as the officer was leaving, down the stairs, and onto the sidewalk in view of the public. In view of the public, Gates continued to loudly challenge the officer and cause a scene.
If he did that, IMO, Gates was rightfully arrested. Anyone who is beligerent and loud to a police officer in public, can expect to be arrested for disorderly conduct, I'd say.
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I believe the police report said that the officer requested that the professor step outside because the yelling in the room by the professor was causing the officer trouble in communicating and listening on his radio. The professor refused, so the officer walked outside by himself. Then the professor followed him outside screaming making a scene in front of neighbors.
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I believe the police report said that the officer requested that the professor step outside because the yelling in the room by the professor was causing the officer trouble in communicating and listening on his radio. The professor refused, so the officer walked outside by himself. Then the professor followed him outside screaming making a scene in front of neighbors.
I just re-read it and that's exactly how the police report reads. Gates was yelling and screaming and saying the officer was a racist and wanted his name for the fourth time. The officer told him if he wanted his name and info he could step outside since it was so loud in the house.
He wasn't ordered out of the house, he chose to follow him outside into the public view and be disorderly.
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Apparently Gates still things this was racial profiling
Gates told the Boston Globe in an e-mail late Friday that he spoke to Obama and said he would meet with Cambridge Police Sgt. James Crowley. Gates said he hoped his arrest by Crowley leads to greater sensitivity on racial profiling and that it was time to "move on."
Tstew, where did you read that the officer asked Gates to leave the house?
I read the police report and I didn't read that to be the case. I thought I remembered that Gates followed the police officer outside the house as the officer was leaving, down the stairs, and onto the sidewalk in view of the public. In view of the public, Gates continued to loudly challenge the officer and cause a scene.
If he did that, IMO, Gates was rightfully arrested. Anyone who is beligerent and loud to a police officer in public, can expect to be arrested for disorderly conduct, I'd say.
Yeah, I made the same point in the other thread, but never addressed.
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