Do "other people" worship with your church?

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why not reverse this? I know of many Trinitarians that would NEVER EVER fellowship a Oneness person.

That's because in order to worship with Oneness circles...they would have to "dress down" and many may not be willing to do all that. If they "come as they are" use to dressing in worship, they fear being judged at the door or being preached on. It's not a pleasant experience for them-- IMO Many churches are just not welcoming.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We have had services with PAW, AA as well as we've had a youth group from a Episcopal church (I think) visit us as well as visitors from other kinds of churches

Your assessment of UPCI is faulty. I don't believe anyone that did not follow Acts 2:38 is a carnal minded sinner. Im sure David Bernard would not make such a generalizing assessment either.

I've been in services where it was a multi-denominational meeting with a UPCI and a black baptist and some non-denom spanish congregation. Recently many of us went to a concert featuring Tramain Hawkins at a black baptist church and we worshiped with them

its not my assesment that is what is comming out of the pullpit. My wife who has never spoken in tounges yet is active in church is still viewed as being carnal minded. Im just speaking of my own experiences.

also if you listen to david bernard verses Dr white. Dr bernard doesnt come out and say he is a carnal minded person in the debate but he tells him basically that he isnt saved and that God is leading him on a path atm.

that was a nice way of calling him a sinner.

I grew up in a trinitarian pentacostal church, Ive seen the Holy Spirit fall, Ive seen tounges prophesies miracles, and all this before i even knew oneness pentacostals exsisted.

When i came over to the upci and i started persuing a ministers liscense. I was told at a convention that when you realize all these people are with out truth you could move on. I even had one mentor tell me that the spirit in those other churches are not from God.

I however could not accept the fact these people were with out truth. The evidence of the gifts of the Spirit was more than enough.

so its not my assesment its my experience.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Why not reverse this? I know of many Trinitarians that would NEVER EVER fellowship a Oneness person.

I fellowship with both, and have worshiped with both. I personally have friends on both sides of the tracks. Both of them spirit filled

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

That's because in order to worship with Oneness circles...they would have to "dress down" and many may not be willing to do all that. If they "come as they are" use to dressing in worship, they fear being judged at the door or being preached on. It's not a pleasant experience for them-- IMO Many churches are just not welcoming.

NO it's because they consider us not Christians, a cult, who do not worship the Trinity

We have people from other churches all the time who don't care how we dress nor do we care how they dress. There is no sign out front that tells people how to dress before coming to our church. We have regular members that don't get all dressed up. They don't care. Nobody else cares

And you can go to non UPC churches and find they get dressed up for churches.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by kingdomapostle

That's because in order to worship with Oneness circles...they would have to "dress down" and many may not be willing to do all that. If they "come as they are" use to dressing in worship, they fear being judged at the door or being preached on. It's not a pleasant experience for them-- IMO Many churches are just not welcoming.

some trinity pentacostals have the same dress code as the upci. infact some of these churches a apostolic could go into worship and praise God. watch the Spirit fall and get baptized in the Holy Ghost, they would feel right at home until it came to baptism,

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

its not my assesment that is what is comming out of the pullpit. My wife who has never spoken in tounges yet is active in church is still viewed as being carnal minded. Im just speaking of my own experiences.

also if you listen to david bernard verses Dr white. Dr bernard doesnt come out and say he is a carnal minded person in the debate but he tells him basically that he isnt saved and that God is leading him on a path atm.

that was a nice way of calling him a sinner.

I grew up in a trinitarian pentacostal church, Ive seen the Holy Spirit fall, Ive seen tounges prophesies miracles, and all this before i even knew oneness pentacostals exsisted.

When i came over to the upci and i started persuing a ministers liscense. I was told at a convention that when you realize all these people are with out truth you could move on. I even had one mentor tell me that the spirit in those other churches are not from God.

I however could not accept the fact these people were with out truth. The evidence of the gifts of the Spirit was more than enough.

so its not my assesment its my experience.

That's coming out of YOUR pulpit maybe, Please don't apply that to everyone that is UPC though. That is a sweeping Generalization

That is your assessment based on your experience.

I heard DB on that debate. He did not say basically JW was not saved. What he said was that he believes that a saved person like JW will at some point in their lives experience the baptism and tongues. Maybe he was being a politician but essentially he was arguing salvation can occur before tongues is exhibited.

BTW did you read my experience and do you understand how I came to my conclusion that not ALL the UPC is that way?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

some trinity pentacostals have the same dress code as the upci. infact some of these churches a apostolic could go into worship and praise God. watch the Spirit fall and get baptized in the Holy Ghost, they would feel right at home until it came to baptism,

He is right. In fact at one time most trinitarian churches had standards. Even today not all OP have standards

And in many Trinitarian churches today without standards they have a church dress code (for services) for the members or particularly those in ministry

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

I fellowship with both, and have worshiped with both. I personally have friends on both sides of the tracks. Both of them spirit filled

Me too!

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW did you read my experience and do you understand how I came to my conclusion that not ALL the UPC is that way?

No i havent, toss me in a testimony as well. just wondering about your roots.

believe me i would love to see some denominational mix of worship i truely would. The only time i saw the upci and other churches come together was to picket abortions. I was so shocked and amazed. For one day everyone put away there doctrines and denomination and came together as a true body of believers for Pro -Life.

[kingdomapostle]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

NO it's because they consider us not Christians, a cult, who do not worship the Trinity

We have people from other churches all the time who don't care how we dress nor do we care how they dress. There is no sign out front that tells people how to dress before coming to our church. We have regular members that don't get all dressed up. They don't care. Nobody else cares

And you can go to non UPC churches and find they get dressed up for churches.

IMO- they dont consider it to be a cult...and when I say dress down I mean the women feel that they are being asked to "step back in time" with no makeup, long skirts, no pants...being preached "at." etc.