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Old 05-10-2014, 06:53 AM
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We know of one adulteress woman jesus didn't stone. How do we know he never stoned any adulteress women?
Well, John 3:17 comes to mind
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Old 05-10-2014, 07:36 AM
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

Leviticus 20:10
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10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.



Guess what...Jesus even "broke the Law of Moses" (Torah) to get her out of being killed. (He "rescued" her from the judgement of the Law). He just said for her to stop committing adultery.

Boy, I just opened a can of worms.
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Old 05-10-2014, 09:16 AM
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No worms, just GRACE,
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Old 05-10-2014, 10:44 AM
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

I DON'T THINK STONING WAS PART OF HIS CHARACTER...He came to seek and save....He never condemned anyone expect those that stood on the streets condemning. While I do not agree with that life style and neither does the Bible however it is our job to reach out to others and offer hope and life eternal.
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Old 05-10-2014, 02:17 PM
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

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Some bible scholars would say that Jesus actually had much mercy upon a man and his who had a male "servant" (Grk. "pais"), healing the servant upon the man's request. They note that in extra-biblical literature the term "pais" often denotes a male servant who was commonly both a servant and lover for Roman centurions and aristocrats:
Matthew 8:5-10
5 When he had entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, 6 “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” 7 And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” 8 But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith.
Now, is this true? They say this is why the Roman centurion felt unworthy for Jesus (a Jew) to come under his roof.

Luke's depiction is as follows:
Luke 7:1-10
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1 After he had finished all his sayings in the hearing of the people, he entered Capernaum. 2 Now a centurion had a servant[a] who was sick and at the point of death, who was highly valued (entimos) by him. 3 When the centurion[b] heard about Jesus, he sent to him elders of the Jews, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4 And when they came to Jesus, they pleaded with him earnestly, saying, “He is worthy to have you do this for him, 5 for he loves our nation, and he is the one who built us our synagogue.” 6 And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends, saying to him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed. 8 For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 9 When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith.” 10 And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.
Many say that since the centurion assisted with the building of a synagogue and loved the Jewish people, he couldn't have been in an illicit relationship with his servant (pais). But rather he refused to have Jesus come under his roof because he was a Gentile. However, others argue that just as in our day, a person can be of a religious orientation, friendly to a given church, and still be living in a sinful lifestyle that is customary in the world. The servant (pais) is regarded as being "entimos", or of "intimate" value, or lovingly "dear" to him.

Eh, I'll let the Bible scholars battle it out. However, if one even considers it at least a remote possibility... we see great mercy shown by Jesus towards even the most sinful pagans. And even the traditional understanding demonstrates Christ's mercy and compassion towards those considered "unclean" by the law's standard.
I didn't see any "Bible Scholarship" in your post. Have a reference?
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

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13 tn The Greek term here is παῖς (pais), often used of a slave who was regarded with some degree of affection, possibly a personal servant (Luk_7:7 uses the more common term δοῦλος, doulos). See L&N 87.77.

Note it says affection, not sexual relation

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παίς
país; gen. paidós, masc.-fem. noun. A child in relation to descent; a boy or girl in relation to age; a manservant, attendant, maid in relation to cultural condition. Spoken of all ages from infancy up to full-grown youth (Mat_2:16; Act_20:12 [cf. Act_20:9]).

(I) Particularly and generally (Mat_2:16; Mat_21:15); sing. ho país (Mat_17:18; Luk_2:43; Luk_9:42; Joh_4:51; Act_20:12 [cf. Act_20:9 neanías {G3494}, a young man]); sing. fem hē país (Luk_8:51, Luk_8:54 [cf. Luk_8:42 thugátēr {G2364}, daughter]); Sept.: Gen_24:28, Gen_24:57; Gen_34:12; Rth_2:6).

(II) Boy, servant.
(A) Particularly and generally, equivalent to doúlos (G1401), a servant, slave (Mat_8:6, Mat_8:8, Mat_8:13 [cf. Mat_8:9, doúlos]; Luk_7:7 [cf. Luk_7:3]; Luk_12:45; Luk_15:26; Sept.: Gen_9:26-27; Gen_24:2; Gen_26:15).

(B) An attendant, minister, as of a king (Mat_14:2; Sept.: Gen_41:38; Jer_36:24).
(C) The servant
of God, spoken of a minister or ambassador of God, called and beloved of God, and sent by Him to perform any service, e.g., of David (Luk_1:69; Act_4:25); of Israel (Luk_1:54 [cf. Sept.: Isa_41:8-9; Isa_44:1-2; Isa_45:4]); of Jesus the Messiah (Mat_12:18 in allusion to Isa_42:1; Act_3:13, Act_3:26; Act_4:27, Act_4:30; Sept.: Isa_49:6; Isa_50:10; Isa_52:13).
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

im gonna go with "idiots say stupid stuff"

and "somepastorsareidiots"


hows that?


The fact is, Jesus was quite familiar with the reality of eternity and the dispostion of a sinner who dies in their sin. stoning precludes conversion... I dont think he was interested in sending people directly to hell considering the was sent with the mission of seeking and saving those that should be lost.
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

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im gonna go with "idiots say stupid stuff"

and "somepastorsareidiots"


hows that?


The fact is, Jesus was quite familiar with the reality of eternity and the dispostion of a sinner who dies in their sin. stoning precludes conversion... I dont think he was interested in sending people directly to hell considering the was sent with the mission of seeking and saving those that should be lost.
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

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13 tn The Greek term here is παῖς (pais), often used of a slave who was regarded with some degree of affection, possibly a personal servant (Luk_7:7 uses the more common term δοῦλος, doulos). See L&N 87.77.

Note it says affection, not sexual relation

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παίς
país; gen. paidós, masc.-fem. noun. A child in relation to descent; a boy or girl in relation to age; a manservant, attendant, maid in relation to cultural condition. Spoken of all ages from infancy up to full-grown youth (Mat_2:16; Act_20:12 [cf. Act_20:9]).

(I) Particularly and generally (Mat_2:16; Mat_21:15); sing. ho país (Mat_17:18; Luk_2:43; Luk_9:42; Joh_4:51; Act_20:12 [cf. Act_20:9 neanías {G3494}, a young man]); sing. fem hē país (Luk_8:51, Luk_8:54 [cf. Luk_8:42 thugátēr {G2364}, daughter]); Sept.: Gen_24:28, Gen_24:57; Gen_34:12; Rth_2:6).

(II) Boy, servant.
(A) Particularly and generally, equivalent to doúlos (G1401), a servant, slave (Mat_8:6, Mat_8:8, Mat_8:13 [cf. Mat_8:9, doúlos]; Luk_7:7 [cf. Luk_7:3]; Luk_12:45; Luk_15:26; Sept.: Gen_9:26-27; Gen_24:2; Gen_26:15).

(B) An attendant, minister, as of a king (Mat_14:2; Sept.: Gen_41:38; Jer_36:24).
(C) The servant
of God, spoken of a minister or ambassador of God, called and beloved of God, and sent by Him to perform any service, e.g., of David (Luk_1:69; Act_4:25); of Israel (Luk_1:54 [cf. Sept.: Isa_41:8-9; Isa_44:1-2; Isa_45:4]); of Jesus the Messiah (Mat_12:18 in allusion to Isa_42:1; Act_3:13, Act_3:26; Act_4:27, Act_4:30; Sept.: Isa_49:6; Isa_50:10; Isa_52:13).
Some try to project their thoughts into scripture, especially now days, and especially regarding homosexuality. They would love to try and find a scripture where Jesus had a beloved homosexual friend or healed one.

I read some blog a while back claiming David and Jonathan were lovers. And of course, David being a man after God's own heart and all....
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Re: Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

It is a sad time and yet a great time
The homosexuals are winning, which is bad
But at the same time their winning, means that we are getting closer to the end.

Just when things get the darkest in this world, then Jesus will suddenly appear with his brightest shining light.
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