Something I watched today

[Carl]

I've read his book "The Myth of the Christian Nation". He makes a good case for pacifism, because we are part of a different kingdom.

[Jermyn Davidson]

God uses willing warriors to protect the lives and rights of pacifists.

God has never been a pacifist and I will never be a pacifist.

War and bloodshed are necessary evils, some say. However, when it is truly necessary, the act of war itself is not evil.

War can be honorable. War can be good.

Pacifism can be cowardly.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

God uses willing warriors to protect the lives and rights of pacifists.

God has never been a pacifist and I will never be a pacifist.

War and bloodshed are necessary evils, some say. However, when it is truly necessary, the act of war itself is not evil.

War can be honorable. War can be good.

Pacifism can be cowardly.

Have you been in combat, outside the FOB? I'm just wondering.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Have you been in combat, outside the FOB? I'm just wondering.

Yes, but what made you ask that?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Have you been in combat, outside the FOB? I'm just wondering.

As for judging the guys whose duties never involved them leaving the Forward Operating Base, at least they were there. They did jobs that someone had to do. Death on a FOB was not uncommon, especially if your FOB was prone to continued military attack.

I hope you were not trying to denigrate the honorable military service of any combat Veteran with your wondering.

Feel free to respond to the content of my posts.

[shazeep]

ya, good luck with that.

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

God uses willing warriors to protect the lives and rights of pacifists.

God has never been a pacifist and I will never be a pacifist.

War and bloodshed are necessary evils, some say. However, when it is truly necessary, the act of war itself is not evil.

War can be honorable. War can be good.

Pacifism can be cowardly.

Live by the sword and you will die by the sword

you seem to be neglecting the lesson of Peter cutting off an ear; i can't think of a better time to use a sword than in defense of Christ, so please name it if you will.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, good luck with that.
Live by the sword and you will die by the sword

you seem to be neglecting the lesson of Peter cutting off an ear; i can't think of a better time to use a sword than in defense of Christ, so please name it if you will.

Just because one owns a sword and is highly trained and skilled in using their sword doesn't mean they are living by the sword.

Yes, there are times when war is evil.

Yes, there are times when pacifism is virtuous.

However, there is a time for war.

There is a time to kill.

There is a time where pacifism is cowardly.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

God uses willing warriors to protect the lives and rights of pacifists.

God has never been a pacifist and I will never be a pacifist.

War and bloodshed are necessary evils, some say. However, when it is truly necessary, the act of war itself is not evil.

War can be honorable. War can be good.

Pacifism can be cowardly.

I was not denigrating anyone. I have just never known a combat vet who said "war can be good". Necessary, yes. For a greater good or for a good cause, yes. But not war itself being "good".

So I was wondering if you had any hands on experience in trying to kill people and having them try to kill you and your buddies. I have a lot of combat vets in my family. Although I never served (wouldn't take me due to 1 too many dependents) I am the son of a Nam combat vet and grew up around Nam vets. Uncles and cousins served in Vietnam, Korea, and Pacific Theater WW2. All but one were grunts "on the line" with confirmed kills, CIBs or CARs, and physical scars to prove it. Every single one of them would tell you straight up war is bad beyond your wildest imagination, and never something to look forward to by anyone who hadn't already been in it.

I'm going to leave it at that.

I thank you for your service, though.

And yes, the tip of the spear requires even cooks and mechanics to function, everyone plays a vital role.

Kind of like in the church...

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I was not denigrating anyone. I have just never known a combat vet who said "war can be good". Necessary, yes. For a greater good or for a good cause, yes. But not war itself being "good".

So I was wondering if you had any hands on experience in trying to kill people and having them try to kill you and your buddies. I have a lot of combat vets in my family. Although I never served (wouldn't take me due to 1 too many dependents) I am the son of a Nam combat vet and grew up around Nam vets. Uncles and cousins served in Vietnam, Korea, and Pacific Theater WW2. All but one were grunts "on the line" with confirmed kills, CIBs or CARs, and physical scars to prove it. Every single one of them would tell you straight up war is bad beyond your wildest imagination, and never something to look forward to by anyone who hadn't already been in it.

I'm going to leave it at that.

I thank you for your service, though.

And yes, the tip of the spear requires even cooks and mechanics to function, everyone plays a vital role.

Kind of like in the church...

I should have said war can be for the greater good.

There is a such thing as a just war.

In the context of physical warfare, I agree with you that my choice to say, "war is good" was not a good choice of words and not truly reflective of the thought I was trying to convey.

Still, I am reminded of the Old Testament wars fought by the Jews. God commanded the Jews to fight many of those wars.

Describing war in terms, "good" or "bad" is too simplistic.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Carl

I've read his book "The Myth of the Christian Nation". He makes a good case for pacifism, because we are part of a different kingdom.

Jesus said the kingdom of God would be given to a NATION bearing its fruits. So, Jesus seemed to believe in the "myth of a Christian nation".