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Old 07-06-2016, 09:14 PM
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

You missed something here. Jesus was talking about being born again (verse 3). That's why Nic asked, "How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb" (verse 4).

So Jesus wasn't talking about a natural or physical rebirth, He was talking about a spritual rebirth, being born again spiritually. If He was talking about a natural birth, and saying we had to be born again physically to enter into the kingdom of God, that would mean that the requirement to enter into the kingdom of God would be that we had to be reincarnated, and then receive the Holy Spirit. But according to the Bible, there is no reincarnation, for "the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" (Ecclesiastes 12:7).

So when Jesus was talking about being born of water and of the Spirit, He was talking about being born again, spiritually. And when He said of water, He was talking about the water of baptism, because He said, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16). If you put scripture together, you will see that when water is used in reference to salvation, it always means baptism. So in 1 John 5:8, where it says, "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one", this is refering to the blood of Christ that's applied in repentance, the water that's applied in baptism, and the Spirit that's applied by the infilling of the Holy Spirit.

So when we follow the message of Acts 2:38, then we will have all three witnesses aplied to our life, the blood, the water, and the Spirit, and they will bear witness together in us that we have believed and are saved.

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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

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does water not break in a C-section? but pardon my shorthand, then; i assumed "natural" would be enough to impart the meaning. Physical, then.
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Sorry. Forgot I replied to this already. ��

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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

6Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.

i would say that Christ even explained the passage right here, although i am not discounting baptism, either, although of a different sort.
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

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Ephesians 5;25 - 27.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, 26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, 27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.

Key Phrase: "washing of water by the word".

Key Word: "word".

"word" = rhema.


The Word of God: Logos and Rhema

"There are two primary Greek words that describe Scripture which are translated word in the New Testament. The first, logos, refers principally to the total inspired Word of God and to Jesus, Who is the living Logos."

"The second primary Greek word that describes Scripture is rhema, which refers to a word that is spoken and means “an utterance.” A rhema is a verse or portion of Scripture that the Holy Spirit brings to our attention with application to a current situation or need for direction."

--- "Advanced Training Institute International"


In Ephesians 5;25 & 26, it says that Christ loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word. And where it says, "washing of water by the word", some people will say that this isn't referring to baptism, and explain that water here is referring to the word, because it says " by the word". But how are we baptized by the word? By applying that word of baptism, like in Acts 2;38, where it says, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

The term "word" here in the Greek is "rhema", which means a specific word that's applied to a specifc need or situatuation. So it's talking about being washed by water by the word of baptism, or by the message, or instruction, or command, of baptism. 
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

for what it's worth, water may also signify people, your ship is supposed to be 'at sea,' not in a safe harbor, etc., so there may be other valid interpretations for "washing of water by the word," not to discount yours. Note that we have no church direction @ "baptism with...fire" Matt 3:11 Luke 3:16, and a quick poll elicits some confusion at an interpretation there.
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

Yes, I know about symbolisms of water in the Bible. That's why I pointed out the meaning of it in connection with "word", which is "rhema", which means water that is applied, as in baptism.

And trying to interpret "water" as "people" in this versecwould not make any sense. The scriptures do take divine revelation and understanding, but some things take just simple common sense and reasoning that Goid has given us.
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

It's interesting when people get a revelation that they get to throw out all the rules of interpreting scripture.

Would you let your surgeon throw out his medical knowledge because God gave him a revelation?

Would you let the engineer that was designing your house throw out the rule book because God gave him a revelation?

Would you let your children go to a daycare/school were nobody received formal training but everyone had a revelation from God?

Not trying to be mean. I just think if we take the argument a little further it seems silly.

So I think we should all remember there are rules for a reason. Even when interpreting scripture.
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Re: "washing of water by the word" Ephesians 5;25

You need to go back and read my other comments to see the information that led up to that. There is no rules of interpretation being thrown out. The divine revelation God had given me was in harmany with scriptures throughout the Bible. Also, God was the one who showed me that, it all came to me in a single instant. So God is the one you are criticizing for showing me that. And I gave scriptures to show it, so you're just saying that and lying against me.

P.S: You still have to go to church. But it needs to be the right one. You need to find one that teaches that Jesus is God and teaches the plan of salvation according to Acts 2:38, and teaches you to continue in the faith living according to the word of God in holiness. You need an Apostolic church.

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