The Apostolic Light Doctrine

[houston]

It’s not the light doctrine. Stop calling it that.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Thats the point. Many Apostolics would say well yea we just werent sure. They seem to think they will be ok. But if its anyone outside of Oneness who is not fully convinced they will go to Hell.

This is why, as much as I believe I'm "right", I remind myself I will always fall short of truth, and the glory of God.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Will he look out among the Pre tribs, Preterists and immortal soul adherents and say "I know my word was to hard to understand and really it was not even important anyway! So because you were baptized in Jesus name, even tho you spurned a lot of my truth the kingdom is ALL YOURS!

No one is going to hell over eschatology.

[n david]

Originally Posted by houston

It’s not the light doctrine. Stop calling it that.

No, he's calling it the "Apostolic Light" doctrine. Because he believes wrong eschatology will send someone to hell. Since there are probably less than a dozen who believe like him, he's calling it the Apostolic Light doctrine.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

No one is going to hell over eschatology.

Do deceivers get to go to Heaven?

Apostle Paul writes:

2 Thess 2:1-5

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Was Paul an Apostle? Did he tell the Church....LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU BY ANY MEANS....that day of Christ will NOT COME except there be a falling away first and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED the son of perdition?

If Paul said whoever teaches the day of Christ can come before the man of sin is revealed he is A DECEIVER, we ask the simple question do deceivers get to go to Heaven?

So do Apostolics somehow get a free pass? They are allowed to be deceivers and be deceived but the horrible deceiving Trinitarian, if THEY deceive someone or are themselves deceived THEY must go straight to Hell for millions, billions, and trillions of years.

[Amanah]

Bro Michael, if I'm understanding your position, all on this forum other than you are hell bound

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

No, he's calling it the "Apostolic Light" doctrine. Because he believes wrong eschatology will send someone to hell. Since there are probably less than a dozen who believe like him, he's calling it the Apostolic Light doctrine.

I'm calling it the Apostolic "light" doctrine to prove Apostolics believe in it. You all are proving it quite readily.

You believe that as long as one is Oneness and Pentecostal he will not go to Hell over his other beliefs. It could be the doctrines of Christ are to hard to understand and so if we teach them falsely Christ will understand and judge us just by the fact our intentions were good. We did the best (we thought) we could and just did not understand.

But yet when the Trin says the very same excuse as to why he believed in the Trinity over Oneness, we say well they rejected the truth so thats it.

Dont forget friends, we are saved by the LOVE OF THE TRUTH. 2 Thess 2:10.


If you think all that means is Acts 2:38 and Oneness time to read the word for yourself.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Bro Michael, if I'm understanding your position, all on this forum other than you are hell bound

My Sister, would you care to address my post from 2:33 pm?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok. Fine. But now what about people AFTER Acts 2:38? Are they given a pass because THEY MAY NOT UNDERSTAND BIBLICAL TRUTH? Is Jesus ok with us coming together all with different views of his truth?

Will he look out among the Pre tribs, Preterists and immortal soul adherents and say "I know my word was to hard to understand and really it was not even important anyway! So because you were baptized in Jesus name, even tho you spurned a lot of my truth the kingdom is ALL YOURS!

See the point? Apostolics cut themselves an eternal break when it comes to not understanding truth that they wont allow for anyone else.

Great points.

I actually had two trains of thought that passed through my mind as I contemplated the points you made. And they are very different from one another. On is more practical, the other is more spiritual. So, I'll share them both in two different posts in response to the points you've made.

First, the more practical line of reasoning...

In my family there are liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, and at least one Libertarian. There are parents who believe in free range parenting, and parents who believe in helicopter parenting. Some are religious, others are not. Some put much emphasis on health and wellness, others do not. We often debate, bicker, and fight with one another over our different takes on politics, religion, parenting, food, etc.

But we're family. Those outside of our family are not. On some family discussions, it's best if a visitor not involve themselves. On some lighter issues, we might welcome them into the discussion. But remember, they are not family. When push comes to shove, we'll unite against an outsider who is too nasty to one of us, regardless of our differences, and regardless as to if a part of the family would ordinarily agree with that persons position on something. And no, we don't give the outsider the same rights among us as we give one another.

Family is family.

Those who have been born again (Acts 2:38) are family. Paul uses terms in reference to other believers such as elders, brothers, sisters, mothers, etc. We might have disagreements on various interpretations of the Bible. We might debate, disagree, argue, slam doors, etc. in our family "discussions" if disagreements become too heated. But again, we're family.

Those who have not been born into our family are not family and any position they hold or don't hold is immaterial to our family.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Great points.

I actually had two trains of thought that passed through my mind as I contemplated the points you made. And they are very different from one another. On is more practical, the other is more spiritual. So, I'll share them both in two different posts in response to the points you've made.

First, the more practical line of reasoning...

In my family there are liberals, conservatives, Democrats, Republicans, and at least one Libertarian. There are parents who believe in free range parenting, and parents who believe in helicopter parenting. Some are religious, others are not. Some put much emphasis on health and wellness, others do not. We often debate, bicker, and fight with one another over our different takes on politics, religion, parenting, food, etc.

But we're family. Those outside of our family are not. On some family discussions, it's best if a visitor not involve themselves. On some lighter issues, we might welcome them into the discussion. But remember, they are not family. When push comes to shove, we'll unite against an outsider who is too nasty to one of us, regardless of our differences, and regardless as to if a part of the family would ordinarily agree with that persons position on something. And no, we don't give the outsider the same rights among us as we give one another.

Family is family.

Those who have been born again (Acts 2:38) are family. Paul uses terms in reference to other believers such as elders, brothers, sisters, mothers, etc. We might have disagreements on various interpretations of the Bible. We might debate, disagree, argue, slam doors, etc. in our family "discussions" if disagreements become too heated. But again, we're family.

Those who have not been born into our family are not family and any position they hold or don't hold is immaterial to our family.

Oh ok I see. When Paul warned not to let ANYONE DECEIVE them, since the deceivers are family they get to go to Heaven!

Is this not the Apostolic light doctrine? Or is is it the Apostolic OSAS doctrine?

ALL THAT MATTERS IS ACTS 2:38!