Hair brings spiritual power message. 😳

[diakonos]

Because no one checked LS and RRH. Why not?

Because false teaching propped up correct teaching.

Because apostolic Pentecostals overreact, and to correct this mess would cause many to leave the uncut hair teaching completely.


Well, well…

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

So basically the same unscriptural message that has been taught by Lee Stoneking and others for years

Yes!

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Because no one checked LS and RRH. Why not?

Because false teaching propped up correct teaching.

Because apostolic Pentecostals overreact, and to correct this mess would cause many to leave the uncut hair teaching completely.


Well, well…

No matter your belief on 1 Cor. 11 it is clear long hair on men is a shame and short hair on women is a shame. People don’t want to submit and that is much align with the theme of 1 Cor. 11. People are in denial to the gender that God created them. As far as hair length being some magical force, I assume that isn’t what she was implying anyways. I would have to watch the whole message. I have heard of miracles where women would drape their hair over their sick child and see results. It was their faith that brings the miracles and not magic hair. Obedience does bring about favor with God.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by diakonos

“God has given the woman power and authority in the spirit realm. We have a connection with the angels. You know why? Because the angels recognize authority. They know as well as the demons the power that is involved in authority, and when they see a woman whose hair is uncut they identify you in the spirit realm, and they know that they are allowed to be discharged according to your prayers when they see you are aligned in God’s alignment in the spirit.

Ladies, there is way more to this thing than just a bunch of Pentecostal requirements, or church standards.

When we submit our hair to God, and we mix it with faith and authority, and we walk in the realm of the power of the Holy Ghost that we are supposed to walk in, there is a covering that is release in our lives, and into the lives of our children, and into our marriages, and into the church, and it destroys the power of darkness. It dispels the powers of hell.”

Originally Posted by good samaritan

As far as hair length being some magical force, I assume that isn’t what she was implying anyways

K.

[Tithesmeister]

This little bit of the message misses the whole point Paul was trying to make in regards to women’s hair (long, short, uncut or all the rest put aside). The woman who cuts her hair dishonors her head.

1 Corinthians 11

[5] But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

What is her head? Her head is a who. Her head is her husband as is explained just two verses previously.

[3] But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The woman who has short hair dishonors her husband.

Now I don’t know for sure, because I didn’t hear but a short portion of the message, but it wouldn’t surprise me if this important message, was completely left out of the message. It often is.

So what is wrong with the message?

It may very well be the part that was left out. I think many people miss the part about the woman’s head being the man.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Does anyone even what this verse really means?
1 Corinthians 11:10 (KJV)
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1 Peter 1:12 KJV
Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

Revelation 8:3-5 KJV
And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. [4] And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. [5] And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

Angels are involved in our worship of God. Also, angels are God's ministers. The ministers of a king are government officials having authority to carry out the various functions of government. So angels are essentially government officials in the Divine Government of God.

Now, 1 Corinthians is primarily about correct church order. The issue of various sects, excommunication, decorum in worship, the Lord's Supper, the open meeting, etc are issues directly related to Paul establishing proper order and conduct in the congregation.

1 Cor 11a especially deals with headship and authority and proper execution of roles in the assembly.

Since angels (heavenly government officials) are present during worship, and since the headcovering issue is a demonstration of headship and authority (an object lesson if you will), it follows that the rules concerning headcovering be observed at such times.

Not as a "lesson to the angels", but in order to make sure the church is actively demonstrating the Divine truths concerning authority and Heaven's rule and jurisdiction among humans. The angels aren't there because they are on vacation and are just "curious". They are in a sense the eyes and ears of the Divine Government, as well as the executive administrators of it. And thus they are the representatives of the King's Heavenly Court.

The word "power" is exousia, and means "authority". The magic hair folks seem to think the word should be dunamis, which means "ability". But the word means authority. The headcovering is the authority, that is to say, the token or sign or badge that represents in a visible tangible way the spiritual authority it represents.

Who's authority? The woman's? Or the man's?

Actually, it signifies GOD'S AUTHORITY. The head of the woman is the man, and the head is to be covered in worship. Showing that man is concealed in worship of God. Man is not on display. The man himself, having his head UNCOVERED, shows or demonstrates that Christ is on display and not concealed, for the head of the man is Christ. Working together , the uncovered male head and covered female head illustrate the truth that Christ is to shine forth and be seen and not flesh or humanity, that humanity is to be subject to and covered by Christ (who is the atonement, or "covering", for the church).

By having the token of authority on her head, she illustrates the principle that her head (man, as representing mankind) is covered by divine authority and subject to the divine government of God.

It has NOTHING to do with special properties or powers concerning a woman's hair. THAT is a common folk belief amongst WITCHES and OCCULTISTS and has no part in the apostolic faith.

[diakonos]

[good samaritan]

First off Esaias, I like your take on 1 Corinthians 11. What about Sampson’s long hair, was it magic or was God just honoring his obedience with strength? God’s anointing was upon Sampson because he kept the Nazarite vow. When he severed his hair, he broke that vow, in effect broke off that anointing that God had placed on him. I don’t think I have really met any UPC people who believed hair was magic. It is a sign of being under authority, and the result of being under that authority is favor with God. I hear people get all hokey pokey about the verse “because of the angels”, and I think that is where people get out in left field.

Obedience to God= favor with God

Of coarse, not all agree that the head covering is hair in 1 Corinthians 11. Which I totally understand why a person doesn’t.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

First off Esaias, I like your take on 1 Corinthians 11. What about Sampson’s long hair, was it magic or was God just honoring his obedience with strength? God’s anointing was upon Sampson because he kept the Nazarite vow. When he severed his hair, he broke that vow, in effect broke off that anointing that God had placed on him.

God had decreed that Samson was to be a Nazarite from the womb until his death. At times, the Spirit began to move upon him. His extraordinary strength was the result of the supernatural endowments of the Spirit operating through him. His involvement with Delilah can be traced to this statement:

Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well. But his father and his mother knew not that it was of the LORD, that he sought an occasion against the Philistines: for at that time the Philistines had dominion over Israel.
(Jdg 14:3-4)

Samson was raised up by God and his life was directed by God specifically as a means to bring judgments upon the Philistines. So even though this Nazarite was involving himself with forbidden unions with foreign women it was all part of a larger Divine Plan. That is, God was using this man and his choices to bring about certain effects that He desired.

Now, Samson is nagged by his wife to reveal the secret of his strength. He told her if his hair were shaved off then his strength would depart him. So she got him cozy and asleep and had his hair shaved off and when he woke up to defend himself against the Philistines he was not aware that God had departed from him. That is, God's supernatural provision of immense strength and prowess had been removed.

It is thought by many that since his hair had been shaved off, he had "broken his Nazarite vow" and thus lost a connection to God. Yet, the fact he was messing around with strange women would seem a bigger case of "breaking consecration to God". So why now?

First, he entrusted his secret to the woman, and so his heart had been snared. As a consequence, he is taken advantage of and weakened.

Second, he referred to "his strength" departing him, and not "God" departing him. So some have seen a bit of pride and arrogance here, in that Samson ascribed to himself ("my strength") what should have been ascribed to the Lord, and thus by exalting himself as it were he gets humbled by God removing the divine endowment of strength he previously enjoyed. In other words, he didn't give glory where glory was due and so lost what he had been given.

Third, and to my mind the most important thing to note in this story, is that here was a man chosen by God to accomplish a divinely ordained purpose. In spite of his shortcomings, in spite of his moral lapses and intellectual failures and bad decisions, God still accomplishes His intended purpose. "The gifts and callings of God are without repentance". His failure and apparent defeat was used by God to make the Divine Plan succeed anyway. Thus we see that God is ultimately in control.

I don’t think I have really met any UPC people who believed hair was magic. It is a sign of being under authority, and the result of being under that authority is favor with God. I hear people get all hokey pokey about the verse “because of the angels”, and I think that is where people get out in left field.

I have come across some (not too many, thankfully) who believe their long uncut hair piled up into a bun on top of their head is the "authority" which gives them the ability to command angels and rebuke the devil and all sorts of other things.

Nobody will say their hair is magic. But they ascribe things to their hair that are usually ascribed to magic talismans by the superstitious. Thus, "holy magic hair".

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I don’t think I have really met any UPC people who believed hair was magic.

Of coarse, not all agree that the head covering is hair in 1 Corinthians 11. Which I totally understand why a person doesn’t.

I had dinner with a preacher and his wife. She was an excellent cook, by the way.

Anyways, right in the middle of this nice dinner of baked chicken, rice and sliced tomato, and fresh boiled okra, she asks me "So, I understand you believe a woman ought to wear a head covering. But I don't understand. I don't wear one, and I have been living for God for decades and God has answered many of my prayers. And I know many many many sisters who do not wear any kind of headcovering, but instead have long uncut hair (like me) and who have had many blessings, miracles, answered prayers, and so forth. So how do you explain that?"

It was clear to me that she equated having uncut hair with having prayers answered and having miracles and blessings in ones life. I gently pointed out to her that I too have known many ladies who do not wear headcovering and yet have had many prayers answered and who will testify to practically non stop ongoing miracles and blessings in their life - and they not only don't wear any headcovering they don't have long uncut hair either!

I tried to point out that the issue of headcovering has nothing to do with whether or not prayers are answered or whether or not one has blessings in their life. How many trinitarian short haired and blue haired women regularly assert that Jesus is active in their life, that supernatural blessings and spiritual gifts are a constant feature of their walk with God, etc? So, the headcovering issue isn't about answered prayers and supernatural occurrences in one's life, but about demonstrating in worship the Divine Order of authority.

I don't think she was convinced to start wearing a headcovering but I do hope at least she and her husband had a better understanding of the headcovering position.

And by the way, there are some (again, few, as far as I know, thankfully) who believe in headcoverings, but who have the same or nearly the same "magic hair" ideas except applied to headcoverings instead of hair.