The UPCI Needs a Healer

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Felicity

What kind of progress do you envision without some of these men?

TV ads and TV ministering.

If a pastor who did not start a church takes said church and removes it from the organization that the founder put it in, that man is a thief!

If the organization is so bad and so wrong, go start a new church the way you want it!! If the saints form your flock follows you then so be it.

JMO

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Ichabod

If a pastor who did not start a church takes said church and removes it from the organization that the founder put it in, that man is a thief!

If the organization is so bad and so wrong, go start a new church the way you want it!! If the saints form your flock follows you then so be it.

JMO

So the Foreign Missionary who baptized a whole Trinity Church is then a thief?!?

This logic is flawed as you present it.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Ichabod

If a pastor who did not start a church takes said church and removes it from the organization that the founder put it in, that man is a thief!

If the organization is so bad and so wrong, go start a new church the way you want it!! If the saints form your flock follows you then so be it.

JMO

The only problem with this line of thinking is this, the pastor can't remove the church from the org. There must be a business meeting and the people vote to leave the org therefore it ain't the pastor removing it. It is the church that is leaving.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

So the Foreign Missionary who baptized a whole Trinity Church is then a thief?!?

This logic is flawed as you present it.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

TV ads and TV ministering.

How many do you expect to win with this new endeavour?

One church has been on TV since 1981 and they are not quite at 250,000 yet....

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

How many do you expect to win with this new endeavour?

One church has been on TV since 1981 and they are not quite at 250,000 yet....

We are just looking at reaching more people in our town. We don't have number to put on it. If one is reached isn't that one soul worth it or have we come up with a figure on how much a soul is worth?

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

So the Foreign Missionary who baptized a whole Trinity Church is then a thief?!?

This logic is flawed as you present it.

Let me try again.
My personal feelings are that if a man takes the pastorate of a well established church and then convinces the church to leave the original organization because of an amendment or something he doesn't like happens then I feel he has become a thief.


I feel that He should start new and if the flock follows great!
I also think the pastor should be honest with the flock about the true reasons to leave. But the people that are leaveing have been conditioning the people for a year to be ready to leave.

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

The only problem with this line of thinking is this, the pastor can't remove the church from the org. There must be a business meeting and the people vote to leave the org therefore it ain't the pastor removing it. It is the church that is leaving.

But lets be real with this .... how many of these churches will have enough information to make an educated decision.

The political side of this is that with a handful of key people they can convince the congregation to do what they want.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Ichabod

Let me try again.
My personal feelings are that if a man takes the pastorate of a well established church and then convinces the church to leave the original organization because of an amendment or something he doesn't like happens then I feel he has become a thief.


I feel that He should start new and if the flock follows great!
I also think the pastor should be honest with the flock about the true reasons to leave. But the people that are leaveing have been conditioning the people for a year to be ready to leave.

Ok, so by the same logic, I win the local AG (or Baptist or Lutheran) Pastor to God and he convinces his ENTIRE congregation to be baptized in Jesus Name. Their eyes are opened and they allow me to be the new Pastor-

Am I then a thief?

Or do I leave them alone and start a street meeting with four and let all that good fruit die on the vine with no new nourishment?

Again, your logic is flat wrong. If a man started a church and then fell in a moral sin, would the man coming behind him to bring that church back to the place of proper fellowship with God also be a thief?