The UPCI Needs a Healer - Page 28

Truly Blessed · #**271** 10-30-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

The UPCI is NOT a cult or legalistic, but there is a radical fringe within the UPCI that is cultic. We are seeing that small group flex their muscle in a fit of absolute rage because the dominant strangle-hold they have held for so long has been broken.

This group came to power in the early-to-mid seventies, and have consistently pushed an extremist agenda, with no regard for those who disagreed.

The worm has turned.

One of the greatest biblical laws is found in Galatians 6:7, "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap."

When these same men were pushing through the AS in order to get at certain preachers in the UPCI they wanted expunged from the fellowship, a democratic majority vote seemed to be the will of God. Now that they have lost the vote on this one, the democratic majority vote can't possibly be the will of God. Maybe the organization needs to adopt the Apostolic Early Church method of drawing lots when it comes to making such important decisions. Or, perhaps they could get everyone together for a season of prayer and fasting in which no one can leave until a spirit of unity is reached. Or, they could have simply asked me and I could have told them the right thing to do!

Truly Blessed · #**272** 10-30-2007, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Neckstadt

The UPCI needs less of holding the fort and more vision with a fresh love for the lost.

It appears it is more about holding to what the UPCi already has then expanding to new vision...

I was quite surprised to hear the statistics given at the GC this year. It had been 13 years since I left the UPCI fellowship. It was announced at the GC that the overseas constituency is 1.6 million, which is what it was the last year I was Atlantic District Foreign Missions Director in 1995. I know because I still have the reports. I was also shocked that the Easter Sunday attendance was only 300,000, which I don't have stats for, but I believe was that high or more in 1995.

IMHO, the UPCI hasn't done well following the conservative agenda since introducing their AS. Perhaps it would do better with a more balanced approach to serving God. Sometimes getting what you want in life isn't as fruitful as getting what you need.

Joseph Miller · #**273** 10-30-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed

Sometimes getting what you want in life isn't as fruitful as getting what you need.

I agree. I will say that the will of God will be done when it comes to the UPCI though. I don't look for the cons to stay, I look for them to go their way and for the UPCI to go its own way and see greater growth than it has up to now.

#**274** 10-30-2007, 08:46 PM

Question: if the ugliest situation imaginable was going on with a neighboring pastor whom you considered an ultra con, they are talking about you and your church, not coming to your anniversary service, preaching about you in their pulpit, etc., etc., how does that impact the winning of souls in your church?

Question: people on here believe the growth of the UPCI was hindered by Bro. Johnny Godair holding a license but now that he doesn't the UPCI will have all growth limits and hindrances removed?

Because they are dues paying members their "spirits" impact the number of souls you win but now that they don't pay dues you are going to be able to win more souls?

This makes absolutely no sense ...

Joseph Miller · #**275** 10-30-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by irish1

Question: if the ugliest situation imaginable was going on with a neighboring pastor whom you considered an ultra con, they are talking about you and your church, not coming to your anniversary service, preaching about you in their pulpit, etc., etc., how does that impact the winning of souls in your church?

Question: people on here believe the growth of the UPCI was hindered by Bro. Johnny Godair holding a license but now that he doesn't the UPCI will have all growth limits and hindrances removed?

Because they are dues paying members their "spirits" impact the number of souls you win but now that they don't pay dues you are going to be able to win more souls?

This makes absolutely no sense ...

If JG (whom I think is a great preacher and has been a favorite of mine for a long time) and the rest of them want to stay in the UPCI and allow their neighboring church to be on TV and reach the lost then the UPCI can see the same growth with them in it as it will see with them gone.

The problem is that there are more cons who get in the pulpit and preach against the libs next door than it is the other way around. Most of the time the cons only preach against the libs.

BrotherEastman · #**276** 10-30-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

Right! and that is the point. you arent grieved over what is wrong with the upci. you are grieved over what you precieve to be wrong with the upci.
namely the upci isnt going the direction YOU want it to!

and further more, it never was going the direction you want it to.

you said that you joined an organization that was against TV and wasnt an organization of compromisers.

WRONG. While the UPCI has been against TV in all forms, it has always been an organization of men who differed greatly in many issues. your inablility to co-exist with the rest of the organization is a reflection on you bro. Not the organization.

the things that have been most wrong with the UPCI has been the attempts thru the years make the UPCI into something other than what it always was.

Too bad I couldn't have said it any better myself. Good job ferd.

Truly Blessed · #**277** 10-30-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

If JG (whom I think is a great preacher and has been a favorite of mine for a long time) and the rest of them want to stay in the UPCI and allow their neighboring church to be on TV and reach the lost then the UPCI can see the same growth with them in it as it will see with them gone.

The problem is that there are more cons who get in the pulpit and preach against the libs next door than it is the other way around. Most of the time the cons only preach against the libs.

Well, we all know it's much more profitable for the Kingdom of God to stand in the pulpit of some local church and attack other Apostolics than to go on TV and preach the truth in love to a multitude of sinners!

rgcraig · #**278** 10-30-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by irish1

Question: if the ugliest situation imaginable was going on with a neighboring pastor whom you considered an ultra con, they are talking about you and your church, not coming to your anniversary service, preaching about you in their pulpit, etc., etc., how does that impact the winning of souls in your church?

Question: people on here believe the growth of the UPCI was hindered by Bro. Johnny Godair holding a license but now that he doesn't the UPCI will have all growth limits and hindrances removed?

Because they are dues paying members their "spirits" impact the number of souls you win but now that they don't pay dues you are going to be able to win more souls?

This makes absolutely no sense ...

I'm not sure I saw this being said.