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01-28-2008, 01:51 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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God gave us the use of the world and it depends on us to use His gifts in the way He has prescribed.
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Right...
He has allowed us to use it by default. It was not his original plan.
However, if we choose the good from the tree and refuse the evil, the outcome will be good. Nevertheless, the evil is always present and will always be part and parcel to the good.
"When I would do good, then evil is present." Good AND evil is in the natural lifeline of all the human experience. We must love the good and hate the evil. "LOve not the world, neither the things that are in the world." "...the world will pass away and the lust thereof, but he that DOETH the will of the Father abideth (continually) forever."
Abiding FOREVER is not stipulated to doing the natural good...but rather, DOING the will of the Father.
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01-28-2008, 03:15 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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He has allowed us to use it by default. It was not his original plan.
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If you believe in the omniscience and sovereignty of God you should have a problem with this statement.
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01-28-2008, 05:50 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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If you believe in the omniscience and sovereignty of God you should have a problem with this statement.
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Why?
Since I made the statement, I obviously don't have any such problem.
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01-28-2008, 06:00 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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Why?
Since I made the statement, I obviously don't have any such problem.
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God's original plan? You mean that God had a plan that He had to change due to mankind's actions?????
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01-28-2008, 06:03 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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God's original plan? You mean that God had a plan that He had to change due to mankind's actions?????
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Go ahead, Dave, tell him what his problem is!
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01-28-2008, 06:15 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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Go ahead, Dave, tell him what his problem is!
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Throws a wrench into the sovereignty of God and also sounds like God got surprised by something.
If God is all knowing and sovereign try changing what He already knows from all eternity.
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01-28-2008, 06:20 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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God's original plan? You mean that God had a plan that He had to change due to mankind's actions?????
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Dave,
from the way you are talking I would think that you might believe in Predestination. I do not.
I believe that God has one plan. THAT plan has never changed. Yet, God has given mankind his own FREE WILL to do has he chooses that has nothing to do with that ONE plan. In the end, as Jesus taught us to pray, "...thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven,..." will surely be realized in the earth just like God's original plan intended it to be.
Anyway, I would not be so inclined to go into a Predestination discussion here if that is what you truly believe. 
Say it aint so!
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01-28-2008, 06:21 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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Go ahead, Dave, tell him what his problem is!
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What are you talking about?
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01-28-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
God has given us free will, indeed, but it seems that there are those whose will seems to be only to serve God with all their heart, soul, mind and strength, while others refuse to even acknowledge God let alone give up their will to His.
I don't quite know how to explain that, and I've talked this over with others and they can't quite understand this or explain it to any measure of satisfaction either.
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01-28-2008, 06:24 PM
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Re: Body-Politic and the Way of Lawlessness
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Go ahead, Dave, tell him what his problem is!
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Dave,
from the way you are talking I would think that you might believe in Predestination. I do not.
I believe that God has one plan. THAT plan has never changed. Yet, God has given mankind his own FREE WILL to do has he chooses that has nothing to do with that ONE plan. In the end, as Jesus taught us to pray, "...thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven,..." will surely be realized in the earth just like God's original plan intended it to be.
Anyway, I would not be so inclined to go into a Predestination discussion here if that is what you truly believe.
Say it aint so!
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The "Reformed" portion of my name should give you a hint......
But beyond this, just think for a moment. God has, from all eternity past, known(at least) what everyone will do. Since He knows it He cannot be surprised and everything He wants done WILL be done. Try and change what He already knows will come to pass.
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