Original Sin/Ancestral Sin - Page 3

Baron1710 · #1 06-09-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Adino

Why do you feel the tree of life had nothing to do with spiritual death as well? Is the tree, either actual or metaphorical, a source of both physical and spiritual life?

I believe it was an actual tree...

Genesis 3:24
After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Genesis 2:9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I don't know if it has spiritual implications but the physical seems apparent.

#2 06-10-2008, 06:15 AM

Hey Brother, I bet you also believe that a literal tree could give knowledge of good and evil to someone... the tree itself had a mind to KNOW WITH? You really believe that?

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

I believe it was an actual tree...

Genesis 3:24
After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Genesis 2:9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I don't know if it has spiritual implications but the physical seems apparent.

Baron1710 · #3 06-10-2008, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Hey Brother, I bet you also believe that a literal tree could give knowledge of good and evil to someone... the tree itself had a mind to KNOW WITH? You really believe that?

Genesis 2:9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I believe there were all kinds of trees that had fruit that was good to eat in the first part of the verse I see no reason to allegorize the second half of the verse. As for the tree having a mind of its own, I don't know what kind of herbs you have been enjoying lately but giving the tree a mind wasn't any part of what I said.

#4 06-10-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Baron1710

Genesis 2:9
And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I believe there were all kinds of trees that had fruit that was good to eat in the first part of the verse I see no reason to allegorize the second half of the verse. As for the tree having a mind of its own, I don't know what kind of herbs you have been enjoying lately but giving the tree a mind wasn't any part of what I said.

Oh yes you did brother... when you state that these trees are literal and fail to see where there were trees that were good for food and then you see another set of trees in the midst of the garden,, they were seperated from the trees good for food..... if the tree of life was a literal tree like the proverbial fountain of youth... then the tree of KNOWLEDGE.. the tree that GIVES KNOWLEGE when eaten must also be a literal tree..... So, now trees come up out of the ground with the ability to KNOW about GOOD & EVIL....
is this what you propose?

Scott Hutchinson · #5 06-09-2008, 11:16 AM

David said he was born in sin and shapen in inquity.The Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God or have missed the mark that intended for humanity.
Mankind is born with the plight of the fall in the garden.
We bare the stamp of original sin we are born with a fallen adamic nature.
However through rebirth and regeneration we bare the image of the second Adam Jesus Christ.
Through grace We can receive an imputation of rightheousness.
I do believe all humanity is born with a fallen adamic nature.
However due to the vicarious atonement,the curse of original sin can be reversed.

Adino · #6 06-09-2008, 04:06 PM

Steve, I think we agree that Christ alone was sinlessly perfect.

The point I made earlier was that man is not only in need of being justified of all the sins he has ever committed and/or ever will commit, but that he is in need of being justified of the very nature of sin which engenders his sinful deeds. He is in need of being justified of something he had at birth.

Do you agree?

Scott Hutchinson · #7 06-09-2008, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Adino

Steve, I think we agree that Christ alone was sinlessly perfect.

The point I made earlier was that man is not only in need of being justified of all the sins he has ever committed and/or ever will commit, but that he is in need of being justified of the very nature of sin which engenders his sinful deeds. He is in need of being justified of something he had at birth.

Do you agree?

I do agree.

Steve Epley · #8 06-09-2008, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Adino

Steve, I think we agree that Christ alone was sinlessly perfect.

The point I made earlier was that man is not only in need of being justified of all the sins he has ever committed and/or ever will commit, but that he is in need of being justified of the very nature of sin which engenders his sinful deeds. He is in need of being justified of something he had at birth.

Do you agree?

I have contemplated that theory? Is man born sinful or is man born with a nature that is turned toward sin?
I knwo we have a nature we recieve at birth that own it's own will certainly sin but is it sinful at birth or as an infant?
These questions have been in mind for years.

bkstokes · #9 06-10-2008, 10:21 AM

Here

We go again -- It is the old serpeant seed debate.

Adino · #10 06-10-2008, 04:00 PM

Steve, do you believe man is born spiritually alive or spiritually dead?