Walks in Islam?

[Walks_in_islam]

<hoping MRS is not this lady>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

Ain't it true that at the end it's always OK to take the money, tainted or otherwise? Now that's

(laughing)

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

<hoping MRS is not this lady>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

Ain't it true that at the end it's always OK to take the money, tainted or otherwise? Now that's

(laughing)

That is one of the most horribly sad things I've ever seen. I feel sorry for those kids and that husband. Hopefully that woman got some help.

[Walks_in_islam]

Yep

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I think the fact you were expecting torches and pitchforks (and I'm sure you'll get them and have received them) is a sad commentary on modern-day Christianity. So I accept you, love you, believe in you, and receive you regardless of your belief system. May God's best blessings be upon you!

2 John 1:9-11 KJV Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I am not comparing this forum to our house, so I am not saying Walks In Islam should not be on the forum. But I am using this passage to say that we cannot pray God bless him. I personally have discussed with Walks in Islam various issues, and debated him, and respect him as a person and would never call him my enemy. He is a good person. But I do not pray God's blessings on him. God's Word told me not to.

I do not accept him in regards to his beliefs, but accept him as a person and love him as true believers love everyone. So I disagree with Notofworks who claims he accepts him and regardless of his beliefs prays God's blessings on him. God's Word says to not bid those of false doctrine with god speed, especially those who held the faith in Christ and departed from it.

If we disregard John's words in his second epistle about bidding folks godspeed in relation to Walks in Islam, then to what situations and instances of people not holding Christinanity as truth do John's words apply?

Walks in Islam,

I enjoyed discussing with you and believe you're a great person. I think you are sincere. But I will not pray God bless you in your belief system where you have rejected Christianity in favour of Islam.

Regards!

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

So you did not actually have a specific reason for this then? You did not have an actual example of a forum rule being broken? If it was something you noticed on another thread why did you not do your rule reminder on the other thread? Just curious

Uuummm...yes, once again, there was a specific reason for what I posted.

The thread was started with a member questioning your -Islamic- involvement on our -Christian- Forum. There are others asking the same thing. Some are glad you're here, others are skeptical, wondering what your motive is in being here.

I just wanted you to know exactly where you stood according to the Forum Rules of membership.

Not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

And as far as confronting you with an actual broken rule, the Admin Team doesn't make a habit of doing that publicly. You would have received a Private Notification. What I posted was for your, and other Forum members, benefit. A 'reminder', if you will.

And I didn't do it on the other thread that you posted on because I didn't want to. It wasn't necessarily an 'issue' then. It is an 'issue' now.

[mfblume]

It is interesting that Saudi Arabia does not allow Christian churches in the country. But we allow Mosques here and Islams on our forums. Who shows more love?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

2 John 1:9-11 KJV Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (10) If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: (11) For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

I am not comparing this forum to our house, so I am not saying Walks In Islam should not be on the forum. But I am using this passage to say that we cannot pray God bless him. I personally have discussed with Walks in Islam various issues, and debated him, and respect him as a person and would never call him my enemy. He is a good person. But I do not pray God's blessings on him. God's Word told me not to.

I do not accept him in regards to his beliefs, but accept him as a person and love him as true believers love everyone. So I disagree with Notofworks who claims he accepts him and regardless of his beliefs prays God's blessings on him. God's Word says to not bid those of false doctrine with god speed, especially those who held the faith in Christ and departed from it.

If we disregard John's words in his second epistle about bidding folks godspeed in relation to Walks in Islam, then to what situations and instances of people not holding Christinanity as truth do John's words apply?

Walks in Islam,

I enjoyed discussing with you and believe you're a great person. I think you are sincere. But I will not pray God bless you in your belief system where you have rejected Christianity in favour of Islam.

Regards!

I accept him as a person just as you do. What's the difference.

Those in false doctrine that we are to stay away from and who we would not ask God's blessings were actively working to destroy the church, and the gospel of Jesus Christ. They were mostly attempting to bring the law into the NT church. WII is not doing that. Not even close. In fact, in a PM, the contents of which shouldn't be divulged, would prove that completely. If I am to pray blessings on my enemies, I certainly can do that for WII, who is, I believe, a very fine man.

The term, "False Doctrine" gets thrown around way too easily.

[MissBrattified]

It's really irritating when Christians try too hard to be politically correct. It comes across as silly, gushy and ridiculous. ...kind of like white people who feel so guilty about racism that they go overboard trying to emulate black culture, and end up being posers who get laughed at behind their backs.

First, there's absolutely nothing wrong with asking someone what their motives and intentions are. Secondly, if WalksinIslam is pushing buttons, it's silly to act innocent and obtuse when someone else acts as if their buttons have been pushed. Wii comes across as intelligent, so I'm quite certain he knows exactly what he's doing with every post. Ergo, why not answer Carp's questions right up front, directly, instead of tossing up a smokescreen and trying to make Carp look like an online vigilante demagogue?

As the Mrs. pointed out, people of different beliefs are welcome here, but this is still a forum for fellowship between believers; not a forum whose sole purpose is to debate the validity of Christianity. There are places for that, and this isn't one of them. I find such debates tiresome and pointless, and I come here to chat with likeminded people--not to have basic beliefs in God & His Word endlessly poked and prodded. It's not that I can't handle questions--I've already done that in my life--questioned myself, and been questioned by others. I'm finished with it, some things are settled in my mind, and I don't need to revisit that part of my youth. And I'm pretty longsuffering with others who are questioning in a sense of trying to find answers; Wii comes across just like me--he already has his answers; he's just trying to get us to change ours.

If anyone wants to debate endlessly, try CARM; they'll be happy to oblige, and making a laughingstock of conservatives, Christians and conservative Christians is a way of life over there. In the meantime, be real; and if you go to Christian forum as a Muslim, expect questions, curiosity, and general mistrust. And don't use that as a catalyst to prove how intolerant Christians are; Islam is one of the least tolerant religions on the planet, so it's a hypocritical point to make. As mfblume so conveniently pointed out--try going to a muslim country and starting a Christian church. And good luck with that--if you aren't beheaded or worse.

As for Wii in particular...I haven't paid a lot of attention to his posts, so he hasn't gotten under my skin--yet. However, if Wii gets under someone's skin, it should be obvious why, and not met with a lot of silliness like, "Oh, my goodness, whatever did I DO?"

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by MarcBee

All the above probably reads very nicely to everyone, due to the apparent openness, which allows anyone to read into it any amount of liberality but supposed restriction at the same time. Some of the ambiguous, subjective terms and phrases would be,

"Sincere questions." Who can judge sincerity? Isn't that more accurately a suggestion than a rule?

"Tearing down". What constitutes "tearing down?" Reporting something that some think is "negative and mean " yet others think is "the truth?"

No "disputing of Apostolic Doctrine." Really?

"Destruction of Apostolic doctrine" How does one destroy Apostolic Doctrine? If Acts 2:38 is true, it cannot be destroyed no matter who doesn't believe it, or spins it as not so important.

"Propagation of contrary doctrine." Is reporting one's beliefs propagation? Or how many "occasions of sharing" are required in order to be considered propagation?

As distasteful as it seems, regular ol' authoritarianism would do the trick, instead of claiming the above is anything like a clear rule set.

<<please don't make us the bad guys >>

Please be the bad guys and don't worry about it.

Yeah for Admin!

I understand the ambiguity. I understand it's a matter of perception. I understand it's not clearly delineated. That's why I said there was a fine line between the 'welcome' and 'breaking of the rules'.

That's why we have an Admin Team in place. We take everything into account, trying to look at the Big Picture, and make good judgements. We don't always have clearly defined problems that fit into clearly defined rules. Our main goal is to try to do what's best for the Forum.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

I accept him as a person just as you do. What's the difference.

It seemed you accepted him as a Muslim enough for you to say "God bless you". John told us not to do that. We cannot accept people to THAT extent who are in false religions.

Those in false doctrine that we are to stay away from and who we would not ask God's blessings were actively working to destroy the church, and the gospel of Jesus Christ. They were mostly attempting to bring the law into the NT church. WII is not doing that. Not even close. In fact, in a PM, the contents of which shouldn't be divulged, would prove that completely. If I am to pray blessings on my enemies, I certainly can do that for WII, who is, I believe, a very fine man.

The term, "False Doctrine" gets thrown around way too easily.

Sorry, Islam is false doctrine. It's adherents are lost. Not to say there are not good people in that religion. But they are sincerely wrong. And John told us to not bid god speed to people who do not bring what John called "this doctrine" to you. I am afraid Islamics do not bring "this doctrine" to us.