Jesus would stone homosexuals News Story

[Dichotomy Girl]

Originally Posted by n david

Some try to project their thoughts into scripture, especially now days, and especially regarding homosexuality. They would love to try and find a scripture where Jesus had a beloved homosexual friend or healed one.

I read some blog a while back claiming David and Jonathan were lovers. And of course, David being a man after God's own heart and all....

At the same time, we need to remember that we are 2000+ years away from the events in the Bible. We live in a completely different culture, and it is extremely difficult not to look at things through the filter of our modern times, our nation, our gender, our religious affiliation and our life experiences.

The truth is, that given what we known of ancient Roman and Greek culture, male homosexuality was common. I read a great book once called The History of the Wife, and I remember it talking about how in Roman Upper Classes it was believed that only two men were capable of true love and affection, and that women were for the necessary evil of procreation.

So knowing that it is perfectly reasonable to assume that there might have been gay people mentioned in the Bible stories, and to try to understand the stories of Jesus and His parables in context.

However, I tend to believe that if it was important, it would be explicitly mentioned, and there would be no need for conjecture. (Unless of course, there was a mass conspiracy! LOL)

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't see any "Bible Scholarship" in your post. Have a reference?

Just Google the extensive usage of "pais" in Greek and Roman literature.

[Aquila]

I pray for those who are born again and struggle with this sin. I pray that God has as much grace and mercy for them as He has with me and my family. I pray that God give them assurance of their salvation to silence the lies of the enemy. And that God give them a revelation of divine grace. I pray that they receive the transforming truth of the Spirit and that they grow in Christ-lines day by day, in the shadow of the cross.

I just felt in the Spirit that someone reading this might need to hear words of encouragement and prayer. May God's grace and peace be with you... whoever you are.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

Leviticus 20:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.



Guess what...Jesus even "broke the Law of Moses" (Torah) to get her out of being killed. (He "rescued" her from the judgement of the Law). He just said for her to stop committing adultery.

Boy, I just opened a can of worms.

Sean, Jesus didnt break that law by letting the adulteress go free. Jesus pointed out that she shouldn't be put to death if the man involved wasnt also. The law you quoted says they both shall be put to death. Without both being pit to death that law cannot be followed.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Sean, Jesus didnt break that law by letting the adulteress go free. Jesus pointed out that she shouldn't be put to death if the man involved wasnt also. The law you quoted says they both shall be put to death. Without both being pit to death that law cannot be followed.

What Jesus did was in direct contradiction to the Law of Lev. 20:10

Leviticus 20:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus "rescued" her from the judgement of Torah, breaking the Law in the process.

We only ASSUME about the other party not being judged. These Jews knew the Law and practiced it closely. You must realize she was caught in the very act. Judged and condemned according to the above passage and was on her way to the stoning pit. They brought her to Jesus to see what He thought about the Law because Jesus had broke the Law or advocated breaking it to others several times already. That is why they brought her to Him first. To see if He would do it again.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

What Jesus did was in direct contradiction to the Law of Lev. 20:10

Leviticus 20:10
King James Version (KJV)
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus "rescued" her from the judgement of Torah, breaking the Law in the process.

We only ASSUME about the other party not being judged. These Jews knew the Law and practiced it closely. You must realize she was caught in the very act. Judged and condemned according to the above passage and was on her way to the stoning pit. They brought her to Jesus to see what He thought about the Law because Jesus had broke the Law or advocated breaking it to others several times already. That is why they brought her to Him first. To see if He would do it again.

You are assuming the man was judged as well. It was only lawful for them both to be put to death.

[Sean]

I have since day 1, heard the ASSUMPTION that the man was not judged, only the woman.

That is a complete (assumption or fabrication) on the part of the law keeper crowd, to justify "partial Law" keeping. Or to say Jesus kept the law "perfectly".

They say Jesus only stopped the stoning because it was "illegally" done.(because the man wasnt judged)

But the reality is, if the man ran away, they still had an obligation to kill the woman and deal with him later according to the Law. It would still not get her off the hook.

Jesus simply disregarded the Torah and rescued her from its' wrath.



I can show you more instances of Jesus breaking the Torah, if you wish.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

I have since day 1, heard the ASSUMPTION that the man was not judged, only the woman.

That is a complete (assumption or fabrication) on the part of the law keeper crowd, to justify "partial Law" keeping. Or to say Jesus kept the law "perfectly".

They say Jesus only stopped the stoning because it was "illegally" done.(because the man wasnt judged)

But the reality is, if the man ran away, they still had an obligation to kill the woman and deal with him later according to the Law. It would still not get her off the hook.

Jesus simply disregarded the Torah and rescued her from its' wrath.



I can show you more instances of Jesus breaking the Torah, if you wish.

Really? If the Torah says they shall both be out to death and you only put 1 to death then who is breaking the Torah?

[Sean]

I guess you think its "all or nothing" huh, boy, find me that "stipulation" in the Torah.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Sean

I guess you think its "all or nothing" huh, boy, find me that "stipulation" in the Torah.

Find where it's not.