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07-19-2014, 05:43 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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The kind of missle it took to down an aircraft from 33,000 feet was not one of those shoulder mounted ones as they are only good at low altitudes.
This was a very complicated misslle and misslle launcher that required extensive training and support to fire. Clearly not some rag tag citizens militia but fully trained and equipped soldiers used by Russia in the Ukranian conflict.
I bet Russia is now wishing they had spent a little more time teaching them to identify targets before engaging them.
Now we just have to wait for our President to apologize for this terrible incident. After all everything bad in the world is America's fault and Obama is eager to say so.
Our standing in the world right now is so weak I never thought I would live to see the day. I can't believe we have two more years of this man as the "leader of the free world".
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07-19-2014, 07:30 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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Originally Posted by CC1
The kind of missle it took to down an aircraft from 33,000 feet was not one of those shoulder mounted ones as they are only good at low altitudes.
This was a very complicated misslle and misslle launcher that required extensive training and support to fire. Clearly not some rag tag citizens militia but fully trained and equipped soldiers used by Russia in the Ukranian conflict.
I bet Russia is now wishing they had spent a little more time teaching them to identify targets before engaging them.
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Actually one of my chat buddies from Sweden went off on a tear today talking about how cheap it was to get a USB dongle to plug into a laptop (something like 35 bucks) and if a laptop wasn't available, you could get a Raspberry Pi and output to a TV set. The dongle tracks the signals of nearby commercial flights. As far as he was concerned, there was no excuse.
And since the US's recent attempts at nation building have been such a success, and since we were on the verge of giving arms to groups allied with ISIS just last year, I'm thinking maybe intervention in every conflict is not exactly something we want to do. On the other hand, it's not like western Europe is going to step up as various nations depend on the uninterrupted flow of natural gas from Russia. Europe could really put the economic hurt on Russia, but it's not happening.
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07-19-2014, 08:05 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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Actually one of my chat buddies from Sweden went off on a tear today talking about how cheap it was to get a USB dongle to plug into a laptop (something like 35 bucks) and if a laptop wasn't available, you could get a Raspberry Pi and output to a TV set. The dongle tracks the signals of nearby commercial flights. As far as he was concerned, there was no excuse.
And since the US's recent attempts at nation building have been such a success, and since we were on the verge of giving arms to groups allied with ISIS just last year, I'm thinking maybe intervention in every conflict is not exactly something we want to do. On the other hand, it's not like western Europe is going to step up as various nations depend on the uninterrupted flow of natural gas from Russia. Europe could really put the economic hurt on Russia, but it's not happening.
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Gas! Europe gets 30% of it's natural gas from Russia.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...348_story.html
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07-19-2014, 08:36 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
Remember the Iranian jet the U.S. mistakenly shot down in 1988? I didn't realized it was that long ago until I looked it up.
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07-20-2014, 11:26 AM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
The next president will have to be more hawkish than ever because Obama is so wimpy. God help the USA.
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07-20-2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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Exactly! Europe pretty much sold its sold to the devil by becoming dependent on Russian natural gas. That is the main reason Germany has been reluctant to come down on Putin about the Ukraine and it has affected other European countries response as well.
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07-20-2014, 04:37 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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Exactly! Europe pretty much sold its sold to the devil by becoming dependent on Russian natural gas. That is the main reason Germany has been reluctant to come down on Putin about the Ukraine and it has affected other European countries response as well.
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And we COULD have been providing it instead..
Just think...we COULD have forced Russian to be more "World Friendly" economically as Reagan did by out spending them...but NOOOOOO we have to pour money into their pockets
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07-21-2014, 06:07 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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And we COULD have been providing it instead..
Just think...we COULD have forced Russian to be more "World Friendly" economically as Reagan did by out spending them...but NOOOOOO we have to pour money into their pockets
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Agreed!
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07-22-2014, 09:22 AM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
Apparently the Russians are pushing their own conspiracy theories to their people. This article this morning says that they are saying it was possibly an assassination attempt on Putin by the Ukraines, as he was on a plane from Brazil traveling the same path just an hour before the Malaysian plane. Who knows if we'll ever find out the truth.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07...ysia-airlines/
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07-22-2014, 02:17 PM
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Re: Malaysian aircraft shot down in the Ukraine
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Oh good grief.
Yes, please rush into world war 3! Let's send more kids to die for nothing.
You're as bad as the warmongers in Congress. No one is appeasing anyone.
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