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06-28-2022, 06:50 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
Every pastor has his own way of doing things...
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06-29-2022, 07:27 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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You turned it into quite the smear campaign. 
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I did, didn't I? And I shouldn't have.
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06-29-2022, 01:30 PM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
In my experience, which is nil compared to many here, I've noticed that some pastors want to be the "star" of their churches (for the lack of a better term) and therefore squander their congregations. They don't encourage their people to seek spiritual gifts, be used in them, or pray for others.
I count myself quite blessed to be blessed with a duo of pastors who encourage me to grow. I preach, teach, and I've been told by numerous evangelists that God has anointed me with healing hands. My pastors also feel that God wants to use me in casting out spirits.
Significant time is taken with me (and the others in our church) that our pastors feel have been anointed by God to cast out unclean spirits. We have at least six or eight preachers in our church, with one having already been called to pastor. He and his wife are praying for God to open doors in their hometown to start a daughter work there.
Encouragement to grow as a saint isn't found everywhere. I'm thankful and I'm blessed that we have such gracious pastors that want to see us grow.
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I am Apostolic I believe in One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism.
I believe in water baptism by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
I believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
I believe in living a holiness lifestyle, inwardly and outwardly, without which no man shall see the Lord.
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06-29-2022, 02:03 PM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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In my experience, which is nil compared to many here, I've noticed that some pastors want to be the "star" of their churches (for the lack of a better term) and therefore squander their congregations. They don't encourage their people to seek spiritual gifts, be used in them, or pray for others.
I count myself quite blessed to be blessed with a duo of pastors who encourage me to grow. I preach, teach, and I've been told by numerous evangelists that God has anointed me with healing hands. My pastors also feel that God wants to use me in casting out spirits.
Significant time is taken with me (and the others in our church) that our pastors feel have been anointed by God to cast out unclean spirits. We have at least six or eight preachers in our church, with one having already been called to pastor. He and his wife are praying for God to open doors in their hometown to start a daughter work there.
Encouragement to grow as a saint isn't found everywhere. I'm thankful and I'm blessed that we have such gracious pastors that want to see us grow.
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Do you really have that many demons floating around that need to be cast out?
I would argue that it's not "growing as a saint" but on a ministerial track of some kind - you just happen to be in the club, currently.
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06-30-2022, 03:24 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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... and I've been told by numerous evangelists that God has anointed me with healing hands. My pastors also feel that God wants to use me in casting out spirits.
Significant time is taken with me (and the others in our church) that our pastors feel have been anointed by God to cast out unclean spirits.
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I'm always leery when some preacher starts telling someone about that someone's special gift that the someone didn't even know they had... I would think that one's "gift" would simply manifest in the meeting as God saw fit to use them (or not).
Growing as a saint to me has to do with believers conforming their life more and more to Christ and deepening their understanding of the life of God and deepening the manifestation of the life of God in and through their own personal lives.
"Ministry", as commonly understood today (ie pulpiteering and being in charge of something or at least getting to sit in the comfy chairs on the platform dressed like a Harvard business executive) seems to, er, miss the point.
Not saying this is true everywhere, but I've seen it play out over and over quite a bit like that.
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06-30-2022, 06:46 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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Do you really have that many demons floating around that need to be cast out?
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Well, our church does seem to go through seasons where different people will come into the church and want to get their lives right. More often than not, these people are in need of deliverance from spirits.
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I believe in water baptism by immersion in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
I believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost, evidenced by speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
I believe in living a holiness lifestyle, inwardly and outwardly, without which no man shall see the Lord.
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06-30-2022, 09:39 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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I'm always leery when some preacher starts telling someone about that someone's special gift that the someone didn't even know they had... I would think that one's "gift" would simply manifest in the meeting as God saw fit to use them (or not).
Growing as a saint to me has to do with believers conforming their life more and more to Christ and deepening their understanding of the life of God and deepening the manifestation of the life of God in and through their own personal lives.
"Ministry", as commonly understood today (ie pulpiteering and being in charge of something or at least getting to sit in the comfy chairs on the platform dressed like a Harvard business executive) seems to, er, miss the point.
Not saying this is true everywhere, but I've seen it play out over and over quite a bit like that.
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Some are a far cry from the humbleness of mind of true religion
James 1:26-27
King James Version
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
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06-30-2022, 12:53 PM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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Originally Posted by Esaias
I'm always leery when some preacher starts telling someone about that someone's special gift that the someone didn't even know they had... I would think that one's "gift" would simply manifest in the meeting as God saw fit to use them (or not).
Growing as a saint to me has to do with believers conforming their life more and more to Christ and deepening their understanding of the life of God and deepening the manifestation of the life of God in and through their own personal lives.
"Ministry", as commonly understood today (ie pulpiteering and being in charge of something or at least getting to sit in the comfy chairs on the platform dressed like a Harvard business executive) seems to, er, miss the point.
Not saying this is true everywhere, but I've seen it play out over and over quite a bit like that.
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But them chairs be super comfy though...I guess I COULD use my BroughtMyButtCushiom cheat code. 🤣
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06-30-2022, 09:01 PM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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Originally Posted by Esaias
I'm always leery when some preacher starts telling someone about that someone's special gift that the someone didn't even know they had... I would think that one's "gift" would simply manifest in the meeting as God saw fit to use them (or not).
Growing as a saint to me has to do with believers conforming their life more and more to Christ and deepening their understanding of the life of God and deepening the manifestation of the life of God in and through their own personal lives.
"Ministry", as commonly understood today (ie pulpiteering and being in charge of something or at least getting to sit in the comfy chairs on the platform dressed like a Harvard business executive) seems to, er, miss the point.
Not saying this is true everywhere, but I've seen it play out over and over quite a bit like that.
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Well said.
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07-08-2022, 08:20 AM
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Re: Apostolic Churches & Congregational Growth
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Sure, I noticed other things. One church, for example, focused on having really good music, where the young men and women would shout practically the same way at one specific point in the song. Their services seemed orchestrated, not Spirit-led.
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Do you have women preachers at your church?
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