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View Poll Results: Why I Tithe
I do it out of fear of hell/pastor 2 6.90%
I do it out of being a cheerful giver under grace 26 89.66%
This poll does not apply to me/non-tither 1 3.45%
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:43 PM
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Awesome post!

As a Pastor's wife, I appreciate your last paragraph as well. Would you like to attend our church?
I have a church I attend, thank you sister
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Old 09-04-2007, 10:25 PM
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How does the half shekel doctrine go brother?
I think that's the teaching that the tithe goes to the pastor, and a mandatory half tithe (5 additional percent) goes to the church. Anyone feel free to put me in my place.
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Old 09-04-2007, 10:26 PM
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noooo.. wait! Maybe that's the teaching that if you are late in paying (because you decided to pay something else this pay period), then an additional amount is mandatory. Like a late fee. ?????
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Old 09-04-2007, 11:24 PM
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I think that's the teaching that the tithe goes to the pastor, and a mandatory half tithe (5 additional percent) goes to the church. Anyone feel free to put me in my place.
The idea is said to originate from Exodus 30:11-16, though the ways that I've heard it preached didn't seem to really be intended to follow the Old Testament scripture.

Basically they say that if you pay an additional 5% of your offering (a "half of the tithe" or "tithe plus five") then you can claim the promise for healings for your body and salvation for your soul that God promised Israel in Exodus 30:11-16.

D. Seagraves wrote an article in the Forward condemning the teaching. I personally find the idea of telling people to "pay for their healing" to be repulsive, but I have some strong doctrinal positions myself.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:33 AM
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The idea is said to originate from Exodus 30:11-16, though the ways that I've heard it preached didn't seem to really be intended to follow the Old Testament scripture.

Basically they say that if you pay an additional 5% of your offering (a "half of the tithe" or "tithe plus five") then you can claim the promise for healings for your body and salvation for your soul that God promised Israel in Exodus 30:11-16.

D. Seagraves wrote an article in the Forward condemning the teaching. I personally find the idea of telling people to "pay for their healing" to be repulsive, but I have some strong doctrinal positions myself.

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Exodus 30:11-16 (King James Version)
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11And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

12When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.

13This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.

14Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.

15The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.

16And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
Well... I hope they have better scripture than this for any doctrine that resembles what is being spoken of.

My soul has already been atoned for.

I would even consider it dangerous ground to even try to make some sort of "gimme more money" doctrine out of a scripture that speaks of atonement for my soul once the atonement has already been accomplished... once... and for all.
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Are you afraid that you may go to hell if you don't? Do you think non-tithers are robbing God?
I always tithe, although I do not feel the scriptures indicate it is commanded to NT Christians.

People headed to hell over tithes...maybe preachers who teach it is mandatory.

As for your allusion to Malchi scripture about robbing God. That's just one more scripture preachers twist out of it's context and mis apply to the church.

Those Malachi was after were those that abused to the disdribution of the tithe from the storehouse.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:46 AM
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I agree Freeatlast.

I get paid monthly, so I tithe once a month. A couple months back, our pastor said, "Thanks to all of you who give monthly, but we appreciate those who make the effort to give every week, especially." ROFL! I thought, what's the difference?? What should I do, divide it by four and give a different check every week? LOL
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I always tithe, although I do not feel the scriptures indicate it is commanded to NT Christians.

People headed to hell over tithes...maybe preachers who teach it is mandatory.

As for your allusion to Malchi scripture about robbing God. That's just one more scripture preachers twist out of it's context and mis apply to the church.

Those Malachi was after were those that abused to the distribution of the tithe from the storehouse.
Indeed... Not only the abuse of the distribution of the tithe... but also those who were handling the tithe were not supposed to be the ones handling it and they had an Ammonite living in the storehouse hence the statement "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse".

They had to get the Ammonite out of the storehouse and then bring the tithe back where it had belonged so that there would, once again, be meat in God's house.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:59 AM
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The example of paying tithes was put before me by my mother.

I would watch her as she would go to the grocery store and cash her little check before she shopped for groceries. Then, she would count out ten percent and roll that little money up and place it in a tithing envelope which she then would put in a side pocket of her purse. All of that done while standing in the grocery store. She would say to me, "Now son, that is the Lord's money. That belongs to God."

What a great example to me as a young lad.

Today as always, I pay my tithes with gladness of heart. I do not say, "I give" tithes because it is not "giving." How can you give to God what already belongs to him? Indeed, I pay my tithes without robbing God of what is rightfully his.

No, I would never use an excuse by saying, "well, we can't find where tithes paying is specifically spelled out under grace in the N.T.. That's a cop out and the result is...robbing God.
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Old 09-05-2007, 07:28 AM
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I'm sorry for being a bit vague. There are pastors that teach you will not get a blessing for simply giving your tithes, but rather teach, you will only be blessed for giving more than the required ten percent. I hope I am making a better explanation.
I have been exposed to this teaching: The tenth already belongs to God, and by rights should be returned to Him. It's the giving beyond the tenth that is considered offering that may be "credited to your account" for the abundant flow of blessings spiritual, physical, relational, and material.

I've read the studies showing why tithing isn't required or salvational for the NT church.

But the practice has always worked for me.

I've never come up short while counting my blessings. The principles of dedication and consecration to God aren't done away with by the NT. People who are constantly on the search for scriptural justification to NOT pay tithe always come across to me with a tinny sound, a little flat, and somewhat in the spirit of the Pharisee.

If you've got a problem with tithing to your local church, you should change something. Maybe you should change your church, but maybe you should change your heart.

If you think you are subsidizing a wasteful edifice for a social club, send your tithes to a missionary in the Amazon, or to the local shelter for the homeless or for abused women. Get to know people that are in need, and find a way to help them without subsidizing bad behavior.
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