Why aren't there more African Americans in the UPC or the leadership of the UPC??? - Page 3

ReformedDave · #21 10-10-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I think this....

There are differences in culture between blacks & whites & hispanics etc. When a church is predominately black, predominately white, predominately hispanic etc then that church more truly reflects the culture of that group.

Now there should be no qualms whatsoever when anyone from another race comes to our churches. If you have a negative feeling when you see someone from another race come into your church then you might want to do a little soul searching.

But to say that it is a "racist" thing for there to be a predominately black church, predominately white church etc is to "pre"judge the situation. (And isn't that the definition of prejudice?)

Blacks may have a church that is predominately their race because they want to worship in the fashion that is most reflective of who they are as a person. They same may go for hispanics, asians, whites etc.

That, in and of itself, is not a problem and does not necessarily denote racism.

The problem comes in when someone from another race walks into your church and you have a problem with that.

For there to be a "black" church and a "white" church in town is not necessarily a sign of racism. It could be no more than a sign of people of varying cultural makeups gathering together with people of like precious faith and who have similar worship styles.

To want churches to combine just because one doesn't like the "segregation" that they think they see is to force 2 distinct cultures to combine and, possibly in the end, lose the uniqueness of both.

Good post. In our assembly we have an elder who is pastor over a group of Laotian brothers and sisters. It is one of culture and language. However, we do get together on 'Fellowship Sunday' for worship and a meal.

Trouvere · #22 10-10-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Good post. In our assembly we have an elder who is pastor over a group of Laotian brothers and sisters. It is one of culture and language. However, we do get together on 'Fellowship Sunday' for worship and a meal.

Do they bring food? Count me in.

ReformedDave · #23 10-10-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere

Do they bring food? Count me in.

Lot's of it!!!!!.......I hate those meals....or is it my lack of control?!

Trouvere · #24 10-10-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Lot's of it!!!!!.......I hate those meals....or is it my lack of control?!

I love egg rolls too bad they are so high calorie.

Hegavmelif · #25 10-10-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra

It has always been a very racist organization. In New Orleans John Cupit has his white church and his black church.
My father was always troubled by the racism in the UPC.

The reason these situation exist in part is because the AA's want it that way. I know of a UPC church in Madison MS that runs over 400 and is at least 50% AA. You got it all wrong Sandra!!!

SecretWarrior · #26 10-10-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Why isn't there more white leadership in the PAW and the Apostolic Assemblies?

The PAW has had 2 White Presiding Bishops in their History.

One of these was in office for several years.

Hegavmelif · #27 10-10-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DividedThigh

well i obviously cant speak for the organization, but after being around for over 37 years, two observations, most of the upc churches dont have a lot of americans of african descent in them, and also most of the people i know who are americans of african descent go to black pentecostal churches by choice, this is my experience , especially in the south, dt

Exactly...by choice. Hence, the reason we have the PAW organization. AA want their own organization. Has nothing to do with racism. The people who yell racism are far more racist than the people they accuse of being racist. My personal opinion based on decades of observation!

Sandra · #28 10-10-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

The reason these situation exist in part is because the AA's want it that way. I know of a UPC church in Madison MS that runs over 400 and is at least 50% AA. You got it all wrong Sandra!!!

I don't have it all wrong....I know this bothered my father. He was on the General Board and heard much. (thats all I will say)

Hegavmelif · #29 10-10-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Why isn't there more white leadership in the PAW and the Apostolic Assemblies?

There ya go! Excellent Question!!

There are by far way more AA members and leaders in the UPCI than there are White people in any ethnic organization...PAW's, Apostolica Assembly...etc.

SecretWarrior · #30 10-10-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hegavmelif

There ya go! Excellent Question!!

There are by far way more AA members and leaders in the UPCI than there are White people in any ethnic organization...PAW's, Apostolica Assembly...etc.

Did you read my last post ??

The PAW has had not One, but 2 WHITE Presiding Bishops in their history.
how many BLACK General supt's Have we had in the UPC ??