Voter Fraud? - Page 32

n david · #1 01-04-2021, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw

Have you heard of Trump's call recording? That's terrible. It will definitely affect Georgia runoffs. Not looking good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2980MG

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN2980R5

Taken way out of context, as usual, by the bigoted media.

coksiw · #2 01-04-2021, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Taken way out of context, as usual, by the bigoted media.

It is very clear to me that Trump was pushing like a CEO would: "Make it happen".

Of course, I don't think he was asking for illegal acts, but he was asking for "you need to find those invalid votes, and at least this amount before you can stop investigating for now". Opportunistic investigation, basically, to win the elections. It is not illegal and probably all politicians do it, but it is very political driven, not righteousness driven. It may be that he was focus on the political aspect first, and then hoping to focus on the justice aspect later. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But Brad and Ryan were standing firm on their investigation results. I did like their integrity against the push. I hope the people of Georgia see that for this runoff.

Originalist · #3 01-04-2021, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw

It is very clear to me that Trump was pushing like a CEO would: "Make it happen".

Of course, I don't think he was asking for illegal acts, but he was asking for "you need to find those invalid votes, and at least this amount before you can stop investigating for now". Opportunistic investigation, basically, to win the elections. It is not illegal and probably all politicians do it, but it is very political driven, not righteousness driven. It may be that he was focus on the political aspect first, and then hoping to focus on the justice aspect later. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

But Brad and Ryan were standing firm on their investigation results. I did like their integrity against the push. I hope the people of Georgia see that for this runoff.

The political and justice aspects are inseparably linked. Trump won Georgia by much more than 11.000 plus votes. He is simply asking for what was stolen from him to be restored. And those 2 RINO's have about as much integrity as Al Capone. They are controlled by China.

coksiw · #4 01-04-2021, 08:45 AM

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The political and justice aspects are inseparably linked. Trump won Georgia by much more than 11.000 plus votes. He is simply asking for what was stolen from him to be restored. And those 2 RINO's have about as much integrity as Al Capone. They are controlled by China.

Trump could have violated the following things in the State of Georgia.

1. GA Code § 21-2-603 - Conspiracy to Commit Election Fraud
2. GA Code § 21-2-604 - Criminal Solicitation to Commit Election Fraud
3. GA Code § 21-2-597 - Intentional Interference With Performance of Election Duties

Esaias · #5 01-04-2021, 08:48 AM

So, election fraud gets committed, the POTUS demands investigations, and THAT constitutes "conspiracy to commit election fraud"?

Talk about Clown World!

coksiw · #6 01-04-2021, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

So, election fraud gets committed, the POTUS demands investigations, and THAT constitutes "conspiracy to commit election fraud"?

Talk about Clown World!

If you listen to the call you see there is an excessive push from Trump to find irregularities. He doesn't listen to Brad and Ryan's assertions, and urges them to "find" at least a certain amount. That can definitely be seen as unethical or straight illegal in the political arena. Words have meaning.

Originalist · #7 01-04-2021, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw

If you listen to the call you see there is an excessive push from Trump to find irregularities. He doesn't listen to Brad and Ryan's assertions, and urges them to "find" at least a certain amount. That can definitely be seen as unethical or straight illegal in the political arena. Words have meaning.

That was not the context. Fraud has been found already. Trump just wants these clowns to admit it.

coksiw · #8 01-04-2021, 09:06 AM

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That was not the context. Fraud has been found already. Trump just wants these clowns to admit it.

Why would Trump then ask for a specific amount? IMO, that has meaning.

I think we should stand for what is right regardless of who is affected. There are frauds, and there are allegations of frauds. They need to be found and prosecuted.

If Trump is doing wrong, it needs to be investigated and prosecuted as well. Which is, by the way, unfortunate because we know corruption is abundant in the opposite party as well, and they would take advantage of this to seize power like vultures.

Originalist · #9 01-04-2021, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw

Why would Trump then ask for a specific amount? IMO, that has meaning.

I think we should stand for what is right regardless of who is affected. There are frauds, and there are allegations of frauds. They need to be found and prosecuted.

If Trump is doing wrong, it needs to be investigated and prosecuted as well. Which is, by the way, unfortunate because we know corruption is abundant in the opposite party as well, and they would take advantage of this to seize power like vultures.

Have you even bothered to listen to the whole conversation in context? Apparently not. If you had, you would not be making such comments.

Esaias · #10 01-04-2021, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw

If you listen to the call you see there is an excessive push from Trump to find irregularities. He doesn't listen to Brad and Ryan's assertions, and urges them to "find" at least a certain amount. That can definitely be seen as unethical or straight illegal in the political arena. Words have meaning.

I'm not a Trump supporter by a long shot. But even I know there was BLATANT election fraud this cycle, beyond any shadow of a doubt or even possibility of rational denial. Trump won by an historic landslide the likes of which even Reagan couldn't pull off.

One of the reasons I DON'T support Trump is because he hasn't simply had all these shysters arrested and charged with treason.

From what I understand he was urging them to find the MISSING and UNCOUNTED votes that the GA political machine tossed.

But there's nothing to be found, because they already shredded all the evidence anyway.