**** Are the NCO and AWCF "raiding" the UPCI or providing a "safety net"? ****

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Ok, what was the location and event for the video of Phillips at AWCF. Is this the TV they are promoting, my lord if so, they need Si Si Jaun in a hurry. I mean that is baaaaad video. Not much in attendance by the look of the joint, people getting up and walking out during a 'high point' in his talk, bad lighting. Man if these cats are to be leading the way, who is following, seriously. It looked bad. A internet service from POA makes these dudes look like an access cable show. It looked like a rented hall at a Holiday Inn in New Jersey, (sorry new jersey).
I would be a yes vote in Tampa, but if this is what we are going to see, sheeesh!

I thought the same thing. From the little video I saw and crowd shots . . . it didn't look like more than a couple hundred people were there.

What were all the white banner-looking things along the sides and on the back wall of the stage?

[CC1]

I could be wrong (my wife often tells me I am) but I don't really see the AWCF or NCO as the actual organizations that mod / lib UPC 3 steppers might use as their new org.

I think both the AWCF and NCO are umbrella org.'s not intended to replace the different Oneness Pentecostal org.s.

I can see the AWCF and NCO being the starting point of fellowship,etc but that probably if some major players left the UPC they would want something more than a loose association like that.

Not something as political and structured as the UPC but something with a concise doctrinal statement (to protect the PAJC / 3 Stepper doctrine),etc.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Ok, what was the location and event for the video of Phillips at AWCF. Is this the TV they are promoting, my lord if so, they need Si Si Jaun in a hurry. I mean that is baaaaad video. Not much in attendance by the look of the joint, people getting up and walking out during a 'high point' in his talk, bad lighting. Man if these cats are to be leading the way, who is following, seriously. It looked bad. A internet service from POA makes these dudes look like an access cable show. It looked like a rented hall at a Holiday Inn in New Jersey, (sorry new jersey).
I would be a yes vote in Tampa, but if this is what we are going to see, sheeesh!

There are already online streaming services of empty buildings.

Some are as cheezy as you describe.

Others are full of life like you described POA.

Everytime I see a church website with

• -Empty Sanctuary photos on the front page
  - No "contact us" link
  - No map
  - No real strong statement of faith

I know we are no where near ready to venture into TV.
Except parts of Cheeseville.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

There are already online streaming services of empty buildings.

Some are as cheezy as you describe.

Others are full of life like you described POA.

Everytime I see a church website with

• -Empty Sanctuary photos on the front page
  - No "contact us" link
  - No map
  - No real strong statement of faith

I know we are no where near ready to venture into TV.
Except parts of Cheeseville.

It is actually worse than that. I am amazed at the number of church websites where you have to hunt for five minutes or more to find the church address. Sometimes it is not even on there at all, just an email contact.

I have spent a lot of time at a church site I have stumbled across in a search and have had no clue as to the city or state it is in.

[Felicity]

In regard to K Phillips' message ........ I got more out of the first 20-25 min. than the last 15 or so.

Originally Posted by Felicity

In regard to K Phillips' message ........ I got more out of the first 20-25 min. than the last 15 or so.

Couldn't stay awake?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

Couldn't stay awake?

Be nice. KP's message was no more than a half hour.

At least the day of hour and half messages are behind us.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Be nice. KP's message was no more than a half hour.

At least the day of hour and half messages are behind us.

She must have fallen asleep right at the end...just couldn't take any more.

You are probably right about the hour and half messages being behind us. Why! With much of today's preaching, about fifteen minutes would be plenty long enough. Empty words entering empty heads of empty lives.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Be nice. KP's message was no more than a half hour.

At least the day of hour and half messages are behind us.

You obviously have not been to any ultra con churches or meetings lately!!!

At this years AMC meeting in Nashville the night I went the preacher preached for right at two hours and then they had the altar service!

The night before I was told the preacher had preached about 1:45 minutes. I was told to watch, that the speaker the night I was there would try to break the guy's record from the night before and sure enough he did.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by CC1

You obviously have not been to any ultra con churches or meetings lately!!!

At this years AMC meeting in Nashville the night I went the preacher preached for right at two hours and then they had the altar service!

The night before I was told the preacher had preached about 1:45 minutes. I was told to watch, that the speaker the night I was there would try to break the guy's record from the night before and sure enough he did.

Spanish-speaking preachers can match any of these wind bags!!!! I've sat thru quite a few marathons myself ... but for the most part I do see that many more preachers are cognizant of time.