Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Just letting you know, that I now will have you on ignore.

Figures. Can't argue the point, so you first resort to personal attacks, name-calling and arrogant, snide put-downs; now that those haven't worked, you put your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and pretend I'm not posting. I thought liberals were the only one's who behaved that way.

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

I would wager a cop could be filmed beating an unarmed, disabled person to death and PO would still claim the officer was in the clear and blame the unarmed, disabled, dead person for something.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You're an idiot.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Has anyone ever walked up to you and punched you in the face? I'm just wondering.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

David was acting like an idiot when he posted this. It's a really stupid post:

The conversation becomes unproductive and unintelligent for me when you start gang banging with David.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Sorry, David, but this post is stupid both coming and going:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And your idiot remark needs to stay where it belongs and in context, this post, which was idiotic of you:

Every time you bring up idiot, I will remind you of this post.

It amazes me how that one post struck such a nerve, that it immediately sent PO into personal attack/name-calling mode where she couldn't even address it, save only to call it "stupid" and "idiotic."

I'll say it again, because it's the truth, and show how it applies to her posts about Garner.

Several cops were filmed choking and kneeling on the back of an unarmed, disabled man. PO claimed the officer was in the clear, and instead both blamed and mocked the unarmed, disabled, and now dead man.

Since she couldn't argue against it, she created a sideshow by posting insults and arrogant remarks calling me "stupid," an "idiot," "idiotic," "unintelligent" and questioned if others have exhibited violence towards me.

And instead of apologizing for those posts, as she should have, she continued doing it.

Good grief.

[Praxeas]

Nah...watch it again. the old man is not trying to get away. The cop walks up to his window first.

Pete gets out. They have words, Pete points to the business and takes a step in that direction. For all we know he says "Well it's my bosses car, ask him"

The Cop directs his attention to the plates or tags. Pete going back there and points out they are plates that don't need tags and ....the COP just grabs him out of the blue.

The cop should have said "Well Im going to detain you" or "Im going to arrest you" before just grabbing him. I have a hard time believing most people would not react that way especially when you did not commit a crime and the one that idiot cop is accusing him of is NOT an arrestable offense

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Has anyone ever walked up to you and punched you in the face? I'm just wondering.

Wow! Hilarious!

Oh, to answer the question, no.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

Wow! Hilarious!

Oh, to answer the question, no.

Really? That's surprising.

[n david]

When the Ranger's report comes back showing the officer was wrong for the traffic stop and used excessive force, will you call them idiots and claim the officer is innocent? Or will you admit the officer acted stupidly and needs to learn the law before trying to enforce it?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

When the Ranger's report comes back showing the officer was wrong for the traffic stop and used excessive force, will you call them idiots and claim the officer is innocent? Or will you admit the officer acted stupidly and needs to learn the law before trying to enforce it?

I'm not going to call anyone stupid. I just want to know what actually happened. Vasquez is walking away when the Police Officer is speaking to him. I am just saying that I wouldn't have done that.

All of the police officers in my county are great, caring, hard working men and women. I respect them all.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm not going to call anyone stupid. I just want to know what actually happened. Vasquez is walking away when the Police Officer is speaking to him. I am just saying that I wouldn't have done that.

I can understand wanting an investigation. That's well and good; however, it doesn't take much to see that the young officer may have been a bit overzealous in his contact with the man. He made no offensive movements towards the officer, did nothing threatening (unless he felt being corrected on the law was threatening). Simply walking away should not constitute an officer tasing someone twice. Officers should be willing to listen. This young man was not. Perhaps the loud gangsta rap he was listening to while making the traffic stop caused his inner OG to come out during the confrontation.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

All of the police officers in my county are great, caring, hard working men and women. I respect them all.

You know them all that well, eh? Impressive, though highly doubtful.

I'm sure the majority of officers in my county are great and hard-working, decent people, too. But I'm not naive to believe they're all pure as the driven snow and never have allowed emotions (like what you exhibited above) cloud their judgement.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

I can understand wanting an investigation. That's well and good; however, it doesn't take much to see that the young officer may have been a bit overzealous in his contact with the man. He made no offensive movements towards the officer, did nothing threatening (unless he felt being corrected on the law was threatening). Simply walking away should not constitute an officer tasing someone twice. Officers should be willing to listen. This young man was not. Perhaps the loud gangsta rap he was listening to while making the traffic stop caused his inner OG to come out during the confrontation.

You are speculating with bias. He didn't tase him until he continued to resist. And he also tased him because Vasquez said, himself, that he grabbed the taser. He can't be that stupid.

Is that how you would have responded to the Officer?

You know them all that well, eh? Impressive, though highly doubtful.

As a matter of fact, I do. I've lived around here for 20 years. And I got to know them much better during my recent jury service. Our Chief of Police is an awesome gentleman. He walked me out to my vehicle after the trial was over to make sure no one was outside to harm me in any way. He also didn't go back inside the courthouse until ALL the jurors were in their vehicles.

I'm sure the majority of officers in my county are great and hard-working, decent people, too. But I'm not naive to believe they're all pure as the driven snow and never have allowed emotions (like what you exhibited above) cloud their judgement.

My judgement isn't clouded. I want FACTS. You don't seem to care. We should never, ever, even if we end up being right, convict a person before all facts are laid out.

It's allowing emotions, IMO, to sound off while viewing a video without full disclosure of the audio or before all facts are laid out.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You are speculating with bias. He didn't tase him until he continued to resist. And he also tased him because Vasquez said, himself, that he grabbed the taser. He can't be that stupid.

Is that how you would have responded to the Officer?

Of course he "resisted." And by "resisting" I mean he tried educating a cop who apparently had no desire to discuss the issue. It was a bogus stop. The Chief of Police himself even said the officer was WRONG for the traffic stop.

Talk about speculating with bias. You claim "he also tased him because Vasquez said, himself, that he grabbed the taser." Now, how on God's green earth do you know when the officer decided to tase Vasquez?

I know you've already said you would bow down and let an officer trample over your civil rights, but I don't believe anyone - no, not even you - would sit there and allow someone to point a taser at you. Of course people will grab at it to try and avoid being tased.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

As a matter of fact, I do. I've lived around here for 20 years. And I got to know them much better during my recent jury service. Our Chief of Police is an awesome gentleman. He walked me out to my vehicle after the trial was over to make sure no one was outside to harm me in any way. He also didn't go back inside the courthouse until ALL the jurors were in their vehicles.

How many officers are in your county? Sorry, I don't believe it. Unless you live in the sticks where there are only a dozen or so officers. Maricopa county, in which I live, covers over 9,000 square miles and dozens of cities and towns, including the Phoenix metro area. Per the MCSO website, there are over 4 million people living in this county. There is no way anyone could claim to know every officer in the county.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My judgement isn't clouded. I want FACTS.

HA! Says the lady who has all but claimed the officer is innocent and has repeatedly placed guilt on the wrongfully arrested man.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

You don't seem to care. We should never, ever, even if we end up being right, convict a person before all facts are laid out.

I do care. But I'm not an idiot or naive. When the Police Chief apologizes for the actions of the officer; when he acknowledges the officer was wrong for the traffic stop, you can at least admit the officer did something wrong. Perhaps not criminal - where he would be charged with any criminal offense. But he was wrong in that he didn't know the law correctly and apparently the Police Chief felt he was excessive enough to apologize to Vasquez.

Seriously, how often do Police Chiefs apologize and admit their officers were wrong? It's very rare they do so, yet he did.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It's allowing emotions, IMO, to sound off while viewing a video without full disclosure of the audio or before all facts are laid out.

Preach to yourself, too. You're the one leveling guilt at Vasquez and all but saying the cop is guilt-free in this incident.