The Backside to Submission

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

Stop preaching things that were made up by men.

I agree , but they won't stop. So then what? If we stay in traditional churches we will hear more of the same. I for one don't want to go to just any church. I want to hear truth { I believe oneness is the truth } . I am thankful for both of my Pastors , both are Godly men , Humble . So I am pretty happy where I am . It was not always so , but for now it is good , I have bumped into the judaizers, and such, and Pastors steeped in tradition. In the book of Rev 2:2 says I know thy works and thy patience and that thou canst not bear them that are evil; and thou hast tried them that say they are APOSTLES and are not,and hast found them liars . Harsh words I know, but I believe those that Preach tradition and the doctrines of men are preaching another Gospel. Jesus had words most with those who were religious. ref Matthew 15:3 and Matthew 15:7-9 . Just for the record I do believe in holiness..... but true holiness.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by missourimary
Very true. You cannot have submission without love. If a husband loves his wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it, then he will respect her. She can then voluntarily submit in respect for his giving and sacrifice for her.

Ephesians puts a greater responsibility on the man than the woman. The wife is asked to submit, but the man is asked to do all he can, up to and including giving his life for, his wife. So she gives of herself daily, but he is asked to give all of himself daily.

No offense, but this sounds like hooey to me. I don't believe God expects more out of men than women.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by iceniez

I agree , but they won't stop. So then what? If we stay in traditional churches we will hear more of the same. I for one don't want to go to just any church. I want to hear truth { I believe oneness is the truth } . I am thankful for both of my Pastors , both are Godly men , Humble . So I am pretty happy where I am . It was not always so , but for now it is good , I have bumped into the judaizers, and such, and Pastors steeped in tradition. In the book of Rev 2:2 says I know thy works and thy patience and that thou canst not bear them that are evil; and thou hast tried them that say they are APOSTLES and are not,and hast found them liars . Harsh words I know, but I believe those that Preach tradition and the doctrines of men are preaching another Gospel. Jesus had words most with those who were religious. ref Matthew 15:3 and Matthew 15:7-9 . Just for the record I do believe in holiness..... but true holiness.

Well, I left. That is how I solved the problem. I just think it's sad that people are subjected to that kind of stuff in the name of God and when they get confused, and feel oppressed, they are simply told that it is their own fault somehow. Nothing is ever the fault of the preachers. It's always your fault. The thinking really keeps you beat down until one day you hopefully wake up and get angry and take matters into your own hands.

[iceniez]

Originally Posted by ILG

Well, I left. That is how I solved the problem. I just think it's sad that people are subjected to that kind of stuff in the name of God and when they get confused, and feel oppressed, they are simply told that it is their own fault somehow. Nothing is ever the fault of the preachers. It's always your fault. The thinking really keeps you beat down until one day you hopefully wake up and get angry and take matters into your own hands.