2010 UPCI Resolutions

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Exactly. The UPC believes they are truly "the" church, at lest most of them do. I was in the UPC for 8 years, and then began attending an indepentent onenesss church. One night we had a UPC preacher come, and after service we were talking to him, and he said in the tribulation his church would be protected because they were in the UPC, but out independent church would be "on your own". This is ridiculous, yet it is the mindset of many in the UPC, if not most.

Mr. Smith's makes an extremely valid point. DKB preached in his inuarguration speech how that he believed we were going to see the biggest "apostolic revival" the world has ever see (or something to that effect), yet majoring on minors will continue to dwindle the UPC to nothing. There has been no significant growth in the UPC for years, any growth is offset by churches pulling out.

The only way for the church to have revival is focus on the lost, go into the world and teach all nations (teach them Jesus Christ, not legalism), and the UPC seems more concerned with whether or not someone puts on a pair of shorts to mow the lawn. Sad.

What a joke! I know many hardcore three steppers in the UPC but never heard of this.

Wait - it seems you yourself are equating UPC and "Apostolic" groweth (lack of) !

I have no reason to believe those who "leave" or are only peripherally influenced by the UPC are non-Apostolic.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

What a joke! I know many hardcore three steppers in the UPC but never heard of this.

I'd never heard of that either. I don't think most UPCers would make that statement, but I do think it shows the loyalty that many have for that organization.

When I was in UPC the fear of God was put into us, that if we ever left God would judge us. When I moved to a city where there was no UPC, I joined an independant church (the only oneness church in town) and that kind of helped me transition. Many posters have been open on this forum about the mental struggle involved in leaving the "org". They make it seem your walking away from Christ Himself, when in reality, your only wanting to walk more closely with Him, and search the riches of his grace and mercy.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Wait - it seems you yourself are equating UPC and Apostolic Groweth!

No, I'm not, I'm okay tking the oneness movement as a whole, I think there should be more fellowship between fellowships/orgs. I would like to see conferences for all oneness people, attended by all oneness organizations, with a concentrated effort to send out and support missionaries (instead of each group sending their own missionaries) and a more concerted effort to evangelize America. The questions shouldn't be "Does Boston have a UPC church?" It should be "Does Boston have an APOSTOLIC church"-regardless of fellowship, yet each fellowship is trying to win the world to themselves, not to Christ, so the movement is as splintered as a broken baseball bat. PS-until we drop the initial evidence doctrine, and the legalism that some hold, this can never be.

Those things said, many UPCers equate revival with what happens in the UPC, that was the context of my statement.

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I have no reason to believe those who "leave" or are only peripherally influenced by the UPC are non-Apostolic.

I agree, I considered myself Apsotolic while I was in the independent church, but now, I just consider myself a Christian. Other call me a compromiser, heretic, etc. So i guess I'll just be called whatever, so long as Jesus calls me faithful.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Michael

Still not saying it right...

Wasn't asking you or talking to you.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Very well, Please post the resolution in question so we can discuss it.

I was referring to the potential resolution mentioned in the thread starter.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I find these posts offensive personally. Constructive criticism? - bring it on, but please keep the slime to yourself.

And by the way, Steven, since we're talking about offenses, I wasn't crazy about having my post called, "Slime." That seems a bit beneath you.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I'd never heard of that either. I don't think most UPCers would make that statement, but I do think it shows the loyalty that many have for that organization.

When I was in UPC the fear of God was put into us, that if we ever left God would judge us. When I moved to a city where there was no UPC, I joined an independant church (the only oneness church in town) and that kind of helped me transition. Many posters have been open on this forum about the mental struggle involved in leaving the "org". They make it seem your walking away from Christ Himself, when in reality, your only wanting to walk more closely with Him, and search the riches of his grace and mercy.

No, I'm not, I'm okay tking the oneness movement as a whole, I think there should be more fellowship between fellowships/orgs. I would like to see conferences for all oneness people, attended by all oneness organizations, with a concentrated effort to send out and support missionaries (instead of each group sending their own missionaries) and a more concerted effort to evangelize America. The questions shouldn't be "Does Boston have a UPC church?" It should be "Does Boston have an APOSTOLIC church"-regardless of fellowship, yet each fellowship is trying to win the world to themselves, not to Christ, so the movement is as splintered as a broken baseball bat. PS-until we drop the initial evidence doctrine, and the legalism that some hold, this can never be.

DKB is committed to increased fellowship among OP org/membership. I do agree to your PS

Those things said, many UPCers equate revival with what happens in the UPC, that was the context of my statement.

But I really don't think DKB feels that way - and the thread was started questioning his intent to purge

I agree, I considered myself Apsotolic while I was in the independent church, but now, I just consider myself a Christian. Other call me a compromiser, heretic, etc. So i guess I'll just be called whatever, so long as Jesus calls me faithful.

Personally, I would like to see increased fellowship, respect and love among all Christian denominations and membership.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And by the way, Steven, since we're talking about offenses, I wasn't crazy about having my post called, "Slime." That seems a bit beneath you.

Possibly it just hit me wrong.

Nevertheless, prejudging a not yet revealed, serious and prayerful process by people I love with "glee", saying you have no care in hell, is just very crummy to me.

[Norman]

The UPC believes they are truly "the" church, at lest most of them do.

I don't doubt that there are some that think that way, but not any that I know.
The UPC does have a very good foreign missions program.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Personally, I would like to see increased fellowship, respect and love among all Christian denominations and membership.

The underground movements. I can name a lot of home bible studies with one ness teachers of senior pastors of very large trinitarian churches. I recall a Nazarene pastor getting baptized in jesus name on a sunday afternoon. His job security eroded after he spoke in tongues and he was a free agent in a year.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Norman

I don't doubt that there are some that think that way, but not any that I know.
The UPC does have a very good foreign missions program.

Great Missions program.