The Beast in Revelation 13 & 17 - Page 4

Austin · #31 01-20-2012, 03:50 PM

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Yes. The building structures some sources say are after the ancient pagan worship. Towers with points, steeples ... are phallic symbols from the past. Ancient holidays like Easter...which is..in short.. the pagan celebration of the earth's renewal.

Tower of Babel ... located in Iraq. It will be interesting to see what the future holds in the City of Babylon, Iraq.

Interesting isn't it?? Most people didn't and don't know that...

bbyrd009 · #32 01-20-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Yes. The building structures some sources say are after the ancient pagan worship. Towers with points, steeples ... are phallic symbols from the past. Ancient holidays like Easter...which is..in short.. the pagan celebration of the earth's renewal.

Tower of Babel ... located in Iraq. It will be interesting to see what the future holds in the City of Babylon, Iraq.

You have to believe it will remain desolate, like the Bible says? Despite Saddam's rebuilding, it is still deserted, if I'm not mistaken..the location of "Babylon" as a type has shifted several times since the days of Babylon, yes?

Austin · #33 01-20-2012, 05:58 PM

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You have to believe it will remain desolate, like the Bible says? Despite Saddam's rebuilding, it is still deserted, if I'm not mistaken..the location of "Babylon" as a type has shifted several times since the days of Babylon, yes?

No one actually knows where it was located in the beginning it's just secondary guess work. i think it was in Iran. So think Turkey, and I have heard it was in northern Africa close to Egypt.
The Babylon in the revelations is the world systems and governments including religious sects to include Christianity that is apostatized from the read deal..

AreYouReady? · #34 01-20-2012, 07:35 PM

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The Babylon in the revelations is the world systems and governments including religious sects to include Christianity that is apostatized from the read deal..

Austin, can you post what you know about the street layout in Washington D.C. as well as the Washington Monument?

Austin · #35 01-21-2012, 06:05 AM

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Austin, can you post what you know about the street layout in Washington D.C. as well as the Washington Monument?

Well there are several things located there that are there for a reason and were pre ordered that way. I'm not talking about the mason theory either, iam talking about the early organization of people who came here along with the ones which came under the pretense of freedom.
Those things in DC around the capital in articular design were placed there by the illuminati symbolizing their presents in this nation. These people have been around since the time of Egypt and Moses. They have worked their way down through government and religion unto this very day.
From a world of magic and dark secrets in demonic powers to the modern day financial world of power and influence world wide.
I know this may to some sound like another here we go with another mystery of the imagination, but trust me I have read materials by persons who were close to this organization and know they exist.
A book which is in the archives section of libraries called, Pawns in the Game, it was written in 1949 by a man who knew about the money market of this world and the world banks and their finical holders. This book was the first one that I had ever read on the subject matter, now there are plenty of others.
Power, money,and personal recognition, that's what it's about!
It is clearly quoted in scripture; [ The love,( lust ) for money is the root of ALL evil.]
Just think about it for a moment. Then ask yourself, who is behind all the money?
Those things in DC are designed from Egypt through the Roman empire and down to now. They have removed and are removing anything which connects structures in that area with the God of Christianity and the OT reflection of things.
Maybe we need another Moses to lay down his staff to consume their snakes, they have so many of them under their power Moses would need a BIG snake, so he would have to go out west and cut down a redwood tree and make a staff from it to be able to consume all theirs.

TGBTG · #36 01-21-2012, 06:59 AM

Rev 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition. The beast was, IS NOT, and yet is. Interesting!

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The beast is not part of the seven kings (or kingdoms). As of John's time when we was writing the book of Revelation. The seventh kingdom had not risen. The angel says when the seventh kingdom rises, he will continue " a short space" AND then the beast will take over.

The seven kingdoms and ten horns originate from the beast. However, the beast himself becomes the eight and final kingdom and goes into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

When the beast rises to the scene, ten kings rise with him to support him.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

The beast and the ten kings with him shall make war with the Lamb. This war is described in:

Rev 19
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

bbyrd009 · #37 01-21-2012, 08:29 AM

"the eighth, of the seven" (extraneous, is not needed in "perfection," {7})
"was, and then wasn't, and then was again..." a construct, has no power but what we give {him, it}, does not exist except by your power, which you invest in {it, him}. An expression of undisciplined free will...

TGBTG · #38 01-21-2012, 08:31 AM

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"the eighth, of the seven" (extraneous, is not needed in "perfection," {7})
"was, and then wasn't, and then was again..." a construct, has no power but what we give {him, it}, does not exist except by your power, which you invest in {it, him}. An expression of undisciplined free will...

huh?

mfblume · #39 01-21-2012, 10:06 AM

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Has anybody ever thought about who or what this "beast" is?

Most people I know assume it is a man. I have other ideas after studying the symbolic language in Revelation, studying history and seeing current events.

What do some of you fine folks think the Beast of Revelation is?

I believe that The beast of Rev 13 is NERO and/or ROME. The fourth beast of Daniel 7, and there was not a fifth one after the fourth in Daniel 7.. Nero was even called a BEAST by secular contemporaries, and the entire church world recognized him as such.

Having said that, I do not believe there will be another world power like Rome, and Rome was the last. I take it literally w3hen it says the events of Revelation were at hand from the point of John's day.

mfblume · #40 01-21-2012, 10:08 AM

Revelation 17 shows the harlot, first century Jerusalem, and the beast throwing her off its back and burning her with fire being Rome.

I look at all this from a HEBREW perspective, where the Old Testament identifies these things. Ezekiel 16 shows the harlot to be Jerusalem. In Matthew 23 Jesus said Jerusalem was guilty of all the blood shed on earth and of prophets, while Rev 18:24 says THE SAME THING about the Harlot. I take Jesus' words as identification of the harlot.