Esaias
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This is like the third Logos thread and like the previous ones it lacks any Scriptural documentation showing the Word was created, begotten, or made.
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Before doing anything else, did God create or make the Word? Out of Himself? Does Oneness teach that the Logos is a created or made (begotten?) thing?
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Michael
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The key to the answer is the phrase OUT OF HIMSELF.
Biblical Oneness understands SOMETHING was made, born, created at the beginning.
If not the logos, what?
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Whatever the word was it was WITH GOD. Whatever the word was, WAS GOD.
All things that were made were made by the Logos. Nothing that was made was made without HIM.
The Logos was PERSONAL. All things were made by HIM.
Is a voice a him? Is a thought a him? Is a plan a him?
Thought, plan, or voice is not a "him". So we look elsewhere in scripture to understand the Logos.
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Hebrews 1:1-3
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
We read earlier the Logos that was with God created all things. Paul tells us here God made all things by HIS SON.
Can we safely say the Logos then is the same as the Son? Unless we want to believe Paul contradicted John I think we can. Does Paul identify this Son? Apparently so.
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3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The Son he refers to is not ANOTHER PERSON OF GOD.
The Son he refers to is THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF.......HIS.....PERSON.
This EXPRESS IMAGE was the Logos. Remember the Logos was WITH GOD.
God was omnipresent Spirit that FILLED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH. As such he had no image. If he were to interact PERSONALLY with creation he needed one.
Thus his first creation would be an image or form of HIMSELF. Not someone else. Paul said this EXPRESS IMAGE was HIS PERSON.
In the beginning means the beginning of creation. When God was ready to make his creation he FORMED A PERSONAL IMAGE OF HIMSELF.
Isaiah 43:10
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10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God FORMED, neither shall there be after me.
So God before he did any creating FORMED this "person" to be HIS PERSON.
So the express image of his person (not another person) was with God the OMNIPRESENT SPIRIT in the beginning. How do we know this image was before ALL THINGS?
Because he made all things BY the IMAGE.
God had a certain image in mind when he brought it forth at the beginning. It would look like his Son Jesus Christ. Paul said God created the worlds by his Son. He then tells us the Son is his express image.
So again the Son is his own image. Not another person but HIS....PERSON. An image or spiritual body for himself to be able to work through and interact with his creation.
This is what Paul had in mind when he wrote:
Eph. 3:9
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9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
So far we have seen that the Logos was with God but also was God. With God as his visible image. Was God because he himself was in the image. The first thing God ever made was an image of HIMSELF.
That image looked like Jesus Christ whom he would become when he took on flesh.
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Or post their name on this or any forum to make a point. Mike, for someone who excused me of loving strife, you sure are the master. This isn't the first time you have asked for names, and I often wonder. Who are you? Why should someone take a individual[s] (who aren't members here) and give them up for examples? Examples to you? Your logos teaching of the logos suit being the first ever created is twoness. So, there you have it chief you are a oneness who believes in twoness. 
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