This Is Upci ?

[Barb]

Not sure if anyone is interested in what this UPCI mod thinks, Daniel, but here goes...

I am doing everything I know to do to keep myself in line with God's Word and live a life as becoming His child.

The steps I deem necessary for me may not be those deemed necessary by another.

Consequently, as a layperson, with the only soul I am responsible for my own, I cannot say what others should or should not do.

And as keeping Barb in line is a full-time job, it leaves little time for 'salvation inspecting.'

I said all of that because it was always my practice to see a church like this, and think, "Oops, there they go down that 'slippery slope'..." or think that if folks did not follow my form of godliness, they were on their way to yon lower regions.

If they are reaching souls, God love 'em!!

[SDG]

The Slippery Slope???

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[Barb]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

The Slippery Slope???

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LOL!! You crack me up, son...you know that expression "slippery slope" is one I hesitated in using because it is so overdone.

Wish I could view the clip...dial-up, you know...

[SDG]

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Any relation to Johnny Godair?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I envision the NC board disfellowshipping Pastor Bill Godair once Resolution 3 passes in September ... He'd be tagged as "questionable" in a heartbeat.

Okay ... this is what the grapevine has spawned about Billy Godair.

BG is the nephew of Johnny and Kenny Godair. He is viewed by some as the "black sheep" of the family and the North Carolina District's neighborhood "charismatic".

He is not shy ...

I cannot confirm or deny the rumor that when confronted by the district board a couple of years back ... he showed up w/ his lawyer. He might of said to the board ... something along the lines of "If you try to take my license ... I'll moon y'all on the way out." Could be urban legend?

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Okay ... this is what the grapevine has spawned about Billy Godair.

BG is the nephew of Johnny and Kenny Godair. He is viewed by some as the "black sheep" of the family and the North Carolina District's neighborhood "charismatic".

He is not shy ...

I cannot confirm or deny the rumor that when confronted by the district board a couple of years back ... he showed up w/ his lawyer. He might of said to the board ... something along the lines of "If you try to take my license ... I'll moon y'all on the way out." Could be urban legend?

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.

A rebel with a cause?

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He has a happening church. So happening ....Kenny's daughter was congregating there for awhile. He has had preachers like Tommy Tenney grace his pulpit.

This dude is way cool ... but resolution 3 could mark the end of his UPCI tenure, IMHO.

Good observation. Is it known yet who authored Res. 3, or what District it came from?

Really sad when you have Pastors like this who are actually making a difference in the community and changing lives, only to have other disgruntled and jealous ministers try to shut you down.

If this happens the UPCI will lose a great church. Right now HQ should be embracing this church and doing what they can to keep it in the organization. It should be featured in the Pentecostal Herald.

Did anyone else notice . . . all the pics I saw showed that this church has dress standards. I didn't see any jewelry, short hair or pants.

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Good observation. Is it known yet who authored Res. 3, or what District it came from?

Really sad when you have Pastors like this who are actually making a difference in the community and changing lives, only to have other disgruntled and jealous ministers try to shut you down.

If this happens the UPCI will lose a great church. Right now HQ should be embracing this church and doing what they can to keep it in the organization. It should be featured in the Pentecostal Herald.

Did anyone else notice . . . all the pics I saw showed that this church has dress standards. I didn't see any jewelry, short hair or pants.

I agree. It is sad that people spin their wheels fighting people who are trying to reach the lost. I am not sure that I am 100% comfortable with all the things and ways they are reaching the lost. But I have learned that just because I am not comfortable with something doesn't make it wrong. I believe alot of good churches have left the UPCI because of other churches whom labled them as charsmatic and shunned them to the point that they finaly became what others accused them of. They remind me of Life Tabernacle in hopkinsville Ky. Pastor Gerald Adams. People accuse them of many things because they think outside of the box.
Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Barb

Prax, I would LOVE to have highspeed, but in this area, the only carrier is Comcast. The rate now is way over the top and they are forever raising it...I just can't do it now.

As it stands, I get AOL on my daddy's GM discount and I can deal with the price...

I know I am missing SO much, but some of us have no choice.

Comcast is cable...what about Telephone? Verizon? Even if they don't offer it yet, bug them. They will eventually add it

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Comcast is cable...what about Telephone? Verizon? Even if they don't offer it yet, bug them. They will eventually add it

Really?! I am so dumb...thankx...

[deacon blues]

I know Bill, I like Bill, I think a lot of him. His testimony is moving and awe inspiring.

I could not, however, feel comfortable endorsing the movie "Pride" because of its content. Here is the "Plugged In" (Focus on the Family's movie review website) review of "Pride":

The racial attitudes of a late '60s, early '70s Philadelphia keep black coach Jim Ellis at arm's length from his dream of training a team of competitive swimmers. So he decides to take whatever work he can find and is given the job of cleaning out an old recreational facility marked for demolition. After bumping heads with the building's live-in maintenance superintendent, Elston, Ellis sets to work and discovers an indoor competition-size pool beneath all the junk.

He fills the pool for his own enjoyment after a hard day's work, but ends up inviting in a motley crew of neighborhood kids with nothing better to do in the summer heat. With the kids' hearty encouragement and the help of a newly energized Elston, Ellis decides to take on the unofficial task of revitalizing the Rec Center and creating the first African-American swim team in Philadelphia.


POSITIVE ELEMENTS

Coach Ellis has a deep-seated passion to give the teens in his community a chance to grow as people and as teammates. "I believe in them so much. There's so much they can do," he says. "Life is what you make of it." Given the label of the Philadelphia Department of Recreation to put on his team's uniforms, Ellis turns the acronym PDR into Pride, Determination and Resilience.

Ellis puts his life on the line when he steps in front of a pimp/drug dealer's car to take two boys out of the backseat. The dealer, Franklin, threatens him, but the coach warns the thug to leave the boys alone. Ellis employs tough love, too. He sets rules of conduct for the team and holds each of his swimmers to them. He demonstrates to the kids that, like them, he must make upright choices. When he loses his temper and crosses the line, he immediately suspends himself from involvement in the big swim meet. And although he was stung in his youth by the barbs of racism, Ellis will not allow his team to dwell on racist acts perpetrated against them and encourages them to walk a higher path.

One of the swimmers was raised by his older sister, Sue. She is a self-sacrificing woman who fights to keep her brother in school and away from the gang he used to be part of.

When we first meet Elston, he's an empty man living in and "maintaining" a dilapidated recreation facility that has "no economic worth to itself or the city it serves." When Coach Ellis opens the doors to the youth in the area and brings life back into the Rec Center, Elston slowly comes back to life as well. He fights to keep the place open and when they get permission to hold a swim meet there, he embraces the coach and tearfully says, "Thank you, Mr. Jim. Thank you so much."

SPIRITUAL CONTENT

In an effort to gain a little support for the boy's new swim team (and maybe for his own spiritual sake, too), Elston reconnects at church. He puts his arm around his surprised pastor and talks about John 3:16. In a later scene, Coach Ellis expresses his hope that the community will come watch the team. Elston replies, "The Lord works in mysterious ways." We then find that the whole church has shown up for the team's first swim meet. One of the swimmers wears a medallion around his neck that he kisses before he swims (we're never told or shown if it has religious significance). As the coach crawls into a makeshift bed at the Rec Center he says, "God bless this space."

SEXUAL CONTENT

The young swimmers all have well-muscled bodies that are well-displayed (in shorts and Speedos) throughout the film. When a girl joins the team, the guys leer at her in her swimsuit and make off-color comments. And when the coach bumps into Franklin and his gaggle of "girls" (who are provocatively dressed), he's offered their "services." Ellis demurs.

Other women wear tight-fitting tube-tops, short skirts and form-fitting dresses. One of the boys makes a joke about a condom breaking. Crass jokes fly about the tiny swimsuits the team has to wear, while Elston cracks wise about swimming naked.

VIOLENT CONTENT

The film opens in the late '60s when Ellis is a student and the only black swimmer on his college swim team. When he attends a meet, the other teams and spectators scream and yell that he shouldn't be allowed to swim. His coach stands up for him, but a riot breaks out when Ellis loses his temper and punches a cop. He is battered by other policemen and ends up on the floor with a foot pinning his head to the ground.

Coach Ellis' hot temper flares again when Franklin and his goons trash the Rec Center and are caught urinating in the pool. The coach punches and throws two of the young punks and almost drowns Franklin. (He later laments his actions, saying, "Turns out, I'm no better than those thugs.") A competing white swimmer kicks one of the PDR swimmers in the head to take him out of the race. Another swimmer accidentally hits his head on the side of the pool as he makes a turn.

CRUDE OR PROFANE LANGUAGE

A half-dozen or so s-words. "H---," "d--n," "a--" and "b--ch" bring the tally to 30-plus. The n-word is used several times.

DRUG AND ALCOHOL CONTENT

The coach sees Franklin selling drugs to a kid on the street. Franklin tries to lure Sue's brother back into the gang by offering him money and beer. Franklin smokes cigarettes.

OTHER NEGATIVE ELEMENTS

The negative racial attitudes of the late '60s are an important part of this story. Though the scenes dedicated to this conflict are short (and instructive), the racist words and actions are still ugly.

CONCLUSION

My grandmother lived with us when I was a kid, but we never shared much common ground—I was always running in a sweat while she sat and gave me dry, disapproving glances. But, strangely, we were like-minded about one thing: sports movies. A movie such as Pride of the Yankees or It Happens Every Spring would draw us both to the TV from our positions at opposite ends of the house. Together we'd pull for the underdog and cheer for the good guy to make the right, though tough, choices. Pride is a lot like those flicks we enjoyed together. Sure, it's formulaic to a fault, with a coach who faces impossible odds, falls on his kisser in embarrassment, then somehow raises a phoenix from the ashes and tries to win the big one. But this story also has something we haven't seen a lot of lately—adults who want to hold young people accountable and teach them of respect and hard work. They really care about the kids, in and out of the pool, and help us do the same.

There is one scene that encapsulates this connection for me. Sue is reading by herself when her formerly gangbanging and decidedly less-than-academic brother comes in. He moves to a small bookcase and starts looking for a book to read. She watches him with initial confusion—he's been working hard with the coach to keep his grades up, but ... he's reading a book!? As the boy moves to sit with his literary choice in hand, the look in Sue's eyes shifts to wonder and then to a restrained joy. It's a subtle moment, yet it superlatively confirms the rewards of patience, enduring effort and sacrifice.

That's not to say Pride doesn't also flail around in the deep end of the pool. The story editing jumps back and forth and can leave you scratching your head now and again. And the camera spends a lot of time gazing at the chiseled young men, from a variety of angles, as they stand around dripping and glistening in their itsy bitsy teenie weenie ... swimsuits. (It would've made my grandmother blush, anyway.) But it's the totally unnecessary foul language scattered throughout the movie that would definitely have driven Grandma from the room. As it will others. Which is too bad, really, because, like I said, this is the kind of sports flick she and I could have rooted for.