The UPCI Needs a Healer - Page 41

Michael Phelps · #**401** 10-31-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IAintMovin

I have not read all 40 pages,.....this may have already been addressed......... but I wonder how many of those who are leaving will keep their word on their PIM's......or how many missionaries will have to come back and go back to work to raise more money............

Excellent point, one not thought of by many, including myself.

There are two ways to look at this, in my opinon:

1.) Either the departing can say, "The missionary is doing a great work and should not be punished by this decision, I'll continue to support".

2.) Or, "The missionary is now a part of a compromising organization, and by supporting them, I am supporting compromise, so my ethics will not allow me to continue to support the missionary unless he/she leaves the organization, as well"

It will be interesting to see which order of logic takes precedence.

dizzyde · #**402** 10-31-2007, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Excellent point, one not thought of by many, including myself.

There are two ways to look at this, in my opinon:

1.) Either the departing can say, "The missionary is doing a great work and should not be punished by this decision, I'll continue to support".

2.) Or, "The missionary is now a part of a compromising organization, and by supporting them, I am supporting compromise, so my ethics will not allow me to continue to support the missionary unless he/she leaves the organization, as well"

It will be interesting to see which order of logic takes precedence.

It would be wonderful if it was the first scenario, however, seeing as how they are leaving the organization because it is now "wrong", I don't see many of them legitimately being able to do anything but the second option.

RandyWayne · #**403** 10-31-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Excellent point, one not thought of by many, including myself.

There are two ways to look at this, in my opinon:

1.) Either the departing can say, "The missionary is doing a great work and should not be punished by this decision, I'll continue to support".

2.) Or, "The missionary is now a part of a compromising organization, and by supporting them, I am supporting compromise, so my ethics will not allow me to continue to support the missionary unless he/she leaves the organization, as well"

It will be interesting to see which order of logic takes precedence.

I am sure there will be some who will choose to support the missionary to the Amazon jungle who will bring to the natives, a strong anti-TV message!
LOL!

Pastor Keith · #**404** 10-31-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzyde

Then sir, you live nowhere near where I do, because it happens on a regular basis, and it is definitely NOT an Urban Legend, or hogwash. It is a ugly, ugly fact.

A certain pastor well know to every Conservative on this forum stood up in a District camp made reference to the more liberal churches that left some time back, then went to great lengths to have the people gathered there (I was present) to breathe in and out a number of times, then remarked that the air is even more pure and righteous since they left.

Now I don't have the luxury and experience of traveling widely as some on here have so I can't quantify that as the norm, but it did happen, I saw and heard it.

That particular district has been ravished by infighting and if reports are true will be non-existent as UPC district.

BrotherEastman · #**405** 10-31-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

A certain pastor well know to every Conservative on this forum stood up in a District camp made reference to the more liberal churches that left some time back, then went to great lengths to have the people gathered there (I was present) to breathe in and out a number of times, then remarked that the air is even more pure and righteous since they left.

Now I don't have the luxury and experience of traveling widely as some on here have so I can't quantify that as the norm, but it did happen, I saw and heard it.

That particular district has been ravished by infighting and if reports are true will be non-existent as UPC district.

I'm sorry to hear that a man of God would do that.

RandyWayne · #**406** 10-31-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by keith4him

A certain pastor well know to every Conservative on this forum stood up in a District camp made reference to the more liberal churches that left some time back, then went to great lengths to have the people gathered there (I was present) to breathe in and out a number of times, then remarked that the air is even more pure and righteous since they left.

Now I don't have the luxury and experience of traveling widely as some on here have so I can't quantify that as the norm, but it did happen, I saw and heard it.

That particular district has been ravished by infighting and if reports are true will be non-existent as UPC district.

Many times I have heard lessons taught to children where the Pharisees were described as having very "childish behavior" because of the way they repeatedly torn their cloths and put their hands over their ears.

This idiotic behavior is no different.

Barb · #**407** 10-31-2007, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Really? By saying this are you saying there are no good men left? Are you sure this is what you believe?

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Originally Posted by Amos

I might be wrong, but I took her comments to mean that there would be nothing gained by these men's departure.

Certainly there are good men left.

But losing men of this caliber can't be a good thing.

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Perhaps, but she highlighted "What kind of progress do you envision without some of these men?" and answered "none". I think she was responded to what she had highlighted.

Sorry for the confusion, but it was early and I was in a rush.

Of COURSE there are good men left, and Amos knows me well.

My response is what it has always been through this thing...what is the all fired rush to leave?!

What good is to come of all of this...makes no sense!!

rgcraig · #**408** 10-31-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barb

Sorry for the confusion, but it was early and I was in a rush.

Of COURSE there are good men left, and Amos knows me well.

My response is what it has always been through this thing...what is the all fired rush to leave?!

What good is to come of all of this...makes no sense!!

I was surprised, thanks for the clarification.

Barb · #**409** 10-31-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Amos

This is a good post.

When you lose giants, whether they be the C.H. Yadons, or the Johnny Godairs, something virtuous is taken away that is difficult to define.

Men of great leadership and character bring something to a fellowship that is hard to define...they are like an ingredient in a recipe that you may not taste when it is in there, but you definitely notice when it isn't.

How anybody can be happy, or even blase' about the caliber of men who are leaving us is beyond me.

That actually seems like blind, short-sighted arrogance to me.

Amen!! Good post...

Barb · #**410** 10-31-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I was surprised, thanks for the clarification.

That's fine, Renda, but I maintain that it makes no sense to me.

My godsister is a member of Bishop W's church in Sacto...though we disagree on this point, he is one of the finest men of God I know.

She said that he hasn't mentioned the 'issue' by name, but said that "certain battles are worth dying for."

Guess this means he's in it for the long haul...I don't get it...