The UPCI Needs a Healer - Page 45

Barb · #**441** 10-31-2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Neither do I Sis. And yet you were upset at me for showing dis-approval on someone who thinks it is a good idea, and was gloating over the fact that the UPCI was going down on a "proverbial ship".

Bro. E, this is neither the time or place, but as I recall, my upset with you was your tone...which is your business.

It's over...

dizzyde · #**442** 10-31-2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felicity

To me the answer isn't to leave, and I have good reasons for saying that.

The other thing that has weighed heavy on my mind since I've learned of the possible exodus of many men who have been part of the UPC for so many years and have their heritage in that ..... is the reason WHY i.e. what is the real MOTIVATION (and of course God is the only One who truly knows the thoughts, intent and the HEART of an individual and why they do what they do - we all know that) , because I believe strongly that will in large part determine the outcome, the prosperity and the success of the new group that forms.

That is the big question! And I'm not touchin it with a 10 foot pole.

BrotherEastman · #**443** 10-31-2007, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb

Bro. E, this is neither the time or place, but as I recall, my upset with you was your tone...which is your business.

It's over...

AHHHHH! Gotcha.

Barb · #**444** 10-31-2007, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Like diversity without division?

There ya go...how often have I said down through the years that this is what caused the bishop to go into a room and write, "We shall endeavor to keep the unity of the Spirit until we all come into the unity of the faith, at the same time admonishing all brethren that they shall not contend for their different views to the disunity of the body."

Gotta love Bishop Witherspoon...he tried...

Barb · #**445** 10-31-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felicity

To me the answer isn't to leave, and I have good reasons for saying that.

The other thing that has weighed heavy on my mind since I've learned of the possible exodus of many men who have been part of the UPC for so many years and have their heritage in that ..... is the reason WHY i.e. what is the real MOTIVATION (and of course God is the only One who truly knows the thoughts, intent and the HEART of an individual and why they do what they do - we all know that) , because I believe strongly that will in large part determine the outcome, the prosperity and the success of the new group that forms.

This is true, sis...Bishop Wilson said "there are some battles worth dying for."

I understand convictions, but is television the battle I want to lay my life down for?!

StillStanding · #**446** 10-31-2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barb

This is true, sis...Bishop Wilson said "there are some battles worth dying for."

I understand convictions, but is television the battle I want to lay my life down for?!

Why sweat the small stuff? They need to save their energy for the REAL battles!!

Barb · #**447** 10-31-2007, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Why sweat the small stuff? They need to save their energy for the REAL battles!!

That's what I'm screamin'...

rgcraig · #**448** 10-31-2007, 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felicity

To me the answer isn't to leave, and I have good reasons for saying that.

The other thing that has weighed heavy on my mind since I've learned of the possible exodus of many men who have been part of the UPC for so many years and have their heritage in that ..... is the reason WHY i.e. what is the real MOTIVATION (and of course God is the only One who truly knows the thoughts, intent and the HEART of an individual and why they do what they do - we all know that) , because I believe strongly that will in large part determine the outcome, the prosperity and the success of the new group that forms.

Exactly all of that!

I believe that is what many here are asking - - why, what is the real motivation?

Felicity · #**449** 10-31-2007, 07:19 PM

The issue isn't always the issue. (Have I mentioned that before? LOL. )

But ..... there are lines of demarcation for us all and a point at which we say, "enough". For many, that line was crossed with the voting in of Res. 4 I guess.

The thing is ..... I look at these groups that splintered away from UPC and none of them in my opinion come close to offering what the UPCI does. The rich tapestry of history, tradition, men and women who are and have been heroes to many of us, the support, talent, giftings, abilities, ministries, passion, preaching, depth and stability aren't matched in the splinter off groups. .

Some might say you don't need all of that and maybe you don't, but to me there is great loss suffered in leaving the known for the unknown ....... not to mention the strain on and possible severing of relationships that often takes place as a result.

IMO

Truly Blessed · #**450** 10-31-2007, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish1

TB -

The men leaving now had their egotistical pride wounded? What about people who left the organization prior? When one leaves on their principle why can't anybody else be leaving on their principle? Curious.

I wish I could say that ego was not involved in my own departure, but I can't. Ministers get caught up in the issues and forget the importance of submitting one to another in love as the Bible instructs us to do. Had I submitted to the body I probably would have gained a perspective on the value of history and heritage that would have led me to a different decision.

There is no perfect organization, so one has to give up something to belong to whatever group he decides he will fellowship with. These ministers need to carefully and prayerfully consider what they are giving up to pursue what you call "principle". One needs to count the cost before making such an important decision, rather than find 10 years later that there is regret for the cost to family, friends, and other Christians who were influenced by that decision.