dr v in the spirit of friendship i will say this to you, i pastored a church 20 years ago that was in a city where there was a branhamite church, i knew some of the folks that went to that church, they were very nice, they did believe the doctrines of wb and also still to that day believed that he would rise again, that is the source of my statement, i am happy you are adamant in your faith, that is good if it is in the word of god, dt
I know people from that church too. Not close enough to ask about their doctrines, however.
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as most people do, even those people dr v, i refer you to bro epleys explanation, sincerely i am not trying to offend you, but people who heard him while alive are the ones who say that, maybe they misinterpreted him or misunderstood him, but i have always believed the closer to the source, the more accurate the statement, dt
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as most people do, even those people dr v, i refer you to bro epleys explanation, sincerely i am not trying to offend you, but people who heard him while alive are the ones who say that, maybe they misinterpreted him or misunderstood him, but i have always believed the closer to the source, the more accurate the statement, dt
Dear Brother, I have access to the very same words those people heard when he was alive.. with the push of a button I can pull up any quote with any word you give me... I tried Ressurect myself.. out of 1100 sermons NOT ONCE
I will ressurect... NOT ONCE
I will return NOT ONCE
In 1100 sermons its not there..
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There has been mention that not everyone was healed in Bro. Branhams meetings.... and I am amazed at the times when even in the presence of Jesus not everyone was healed
But Mk 6:5 says that in Nazereth, "he could there do no mighty work, save that He laid His hands upon a few sick folk and healed them". Even Jesus COULD NOT over ride someone's unbelief
Jesus laid hands on the sick and only a few were healed....
~~~~ The crowd pressed all around him,, sick people had heard he was a healer... people everywhere touching him but only ONE was healed..... he said WHO TOUCHED ME
~~~~ His best friend Lazarus could not be healed by Jesus.. because it was not the will of God to heal him...... yet I wonder how many said "see,, I thought he was a healer"
Vaughn,
The scripture reads:
Matthew 13:58
And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
Was the people's unbelief found in that they didn't believe Jesus could heal, or was their unbelief found in that they didn't believe Jesus was the Messiah?
John 11:4 - When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death
and yet Lazarus died... or if he didnt really die then he wasnt really ressurected
Why are you afraid to post the entire scripture? Is this how you preach your doctrine to others, by giving them only half the truth?
There is no period at the end of that verse. You can't take part of something someone said and run with it. I've seen you upset about those who makes claims about your preacher because they only take part of what he said and make a claim you state is untrue, yet you do the same thing with Jesus and the Word of God.
And you have a PhD?
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Why are you afraid to post the entire scripture? Is this how you preach your doctrine to others, by giving them only half the truth?
There is no period at the end of that verse. You can't take part of something someone said and run with it. I've seen you upset about those who makes claims about your preacher because they only take part of what he said and make a claim you state is untrue, yet you do the same thing with Jesus and the Word of God.
And you have a PhD?
Why is there a ? after Ph.D. this board seems to have a major problem with that... I've never seen anything like it
Sis. I didnt have to quote the entire verse.. because the rest of the verse supports MY VIEW.. there was a REASON GOD DID NOT HEAL LAZARUS.... its my same argument for those who were not healed in bro. branhams meetings.. it was not the WILL OR the TIMING of GOD.. so you see there was no need to post the rest of the verse.....
But I wanted to prove that Jesus could not heal his best freind... FOR A GREATER PURPOSE...... just because someone was not healed in a Branham meeting.. doe's not mean bro. Branham was a fake .......
Why is there a ? after Ph.D. this board seems to have a major problem with that... I've never seen anything like it
Sis. I didnt have to quote the entire verse.. because the rest of the verse supports MY VIEW.. there was a REASON GOD DID NOT HEAL LAZARUS.... its my same argument for those who were not healed in bro. branhams meetings.. it was not the WILL OR the TIMING of GOD.. so you see there was no need to post the rest of the verse.....
But I wanted to prove that Jesus could not heal his best freind... FOR A GREATER PURPOSE...... just because someone was not healed in a Branham meeting.. doe's not mean bro. Branham was a fake .......
Did you write a thesis expecting your professor to read only half of what you wrote? I don't have a problem with your degree. I have a degree myself.
I bolded part of your post above. If I took only that bolded part, it appears that you are claiming that Bro. Branham was a fake....yes....you said so in your own words! But is that really what you said in context? Context is a major part of any statement made.
Jesus didn't even attempt to heal Lazarus. He knew what was going to happen. This isn't even close to what Branham did, who did pray over people who weren't healed. Jesus NEVER did that. Anyone He prayed over, laid hands on, or even just spoke the words were healed. He never did that with Lazarus but allowed him to die for a reason.
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John 11:4 - When Jesus heard [that], he said, This sickness is not unto death
and yet Lazarus died... or if he didnt really die then he wasnt really ressurected
I think you're taking His statement way too literally.
John 11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
The context reads more about the purpose of Lazarus' death, not the reality of it.
He died, but Jesus resurrected Him, therefore His sickness as a means to an end was not to death, but to present an opportunity for God to be glorified. That's how I understand it, anyway.
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