Was Joseph going to Divorce Mary?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sir ... I've got strong hermeneutics to prove this ... and believed it prior to my situation ...

You choose to lay aside whatever theological foundations you've learned as a student to prove your pet doctrine ... and that sir ... is deplorable if you want to teach this.

then perhaps I should teach... God didn't mean any of that stuff.. this 4th marriage is fine..... bye the way... Jesus really didn't mean those words... and hey who knows what he really meant.... lets all just be happy clappy.. everyone live according to your own desires and thus make Dan happy

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

then perhaps I should teach... God didn't mean any of that stuff.. this 4th marriage is fine..... bye the way... Jesus really didn't mean those words... and hey who knows what he really meant.... lets all just be happy clappy.. everyone live according to your own desires and thus make Dan happy

That's if Dan or any of us believed that marriage is not a lifetime commitment ... but none of us do ... more hyperbolic rhetoric.

You refuse to understand this type of contract requires two willing parties ...
and so gloat in the glow of self-righteousness but please don't believe that there are not strong theological interpretations that are plausible and BIBLE-BASED that fly in the face of what you are presenting.

I hope whoever debates you on this has the goods ... because your game is lacking ... and if they need some help ... tell them to give me a ring.

It would help if you'd stop speaking for God.

[Sam]

We currently use "fornication" to apply only to a single person and "adultery" to apply only to a married person. What words were used in the original languages in the Old Testament and New Testament and how did they apply at that time?

For example, the "adultery in the heart" spoken of in Matthew 5:27-28 has no limitation as to whether the person is single or married. Also Israel called the child bride of YHWH in Ezekiel chapter 16 is spoken of as being guilty of playing the harlot (verse 15), fornication (verse 15), committing whoredom (verse 17), adulery (verse 32), breaking wedlock (verse 38). Had Israel and YHWH consummated the marriage or were they engaged?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

That's if Dan or any of us believed that marriage is not a lifetime commitment ... but none of us do ... more hyperbolic rhetoric.

You refuse to understand this type of contract requires two willing parties ...
and so gloat in the glow of self-righteousness but please don't believe that there are not strong theological interpretations that are plausible and BIBLE-BASED that fly in the face of what you are presenting.

I hope whoever debates you on this has the goods ... because your game is lacking ... and if they need some help ... tell them to give me a ring.

It would help if you'd stop speaking for God.

Ok Dan.. lets make you Pastor Dan for the day

I'm a young man in your church, and I am in love with this girl who comes from bad seed... you know her and her family much better than I.. you encourage me not marry her.. almost plead with me not to... she isn't in church like she should be.. no real commitment but she does have the Holy Ghost or you guys told her she did because she spoke in tongues..... so I rebel against your advice and I marry the girl.... and sure enough just like you said she cheats on me.......

NOW --- was I rebellious in not being unequally yolked.. and am now reaping the seeds of the rebellion... or am I as you propose prime candidate for the next failed marriage... and it will all be blessed in the eyes of God...

I then with your blessings find a new girl.... and a year later in the middle of the night God begins dealing with my wife about her life... she gives her everything to God... and desires me to come home and raise our children together... but thanks to your advice.. I can't do that now

Or... if Dr. Vaughn is my Pastor and tells me SON.. you are reaping the seed of rebellion that you have sewn... come and spend time with me over the next few months around the church... lets get you healed...lets stay in the altars... lets put your wife before the Lord and trust God for her deliverance....

He tells me I cannot remarry... that I have a living wife... and I cannot be angry with him because this is the seeds I have sewn......and then miraculously God restores my marriage because my Pastor stood for ONE MARRIAGE

Originally Posted by Sam

We currently use "fornication" to apply only to a single person and "adultery" to apply only to a married person. What words were used in the original languages in the Old Testament and New Testament and how did they apply at that time?

For example, the "adultery in the heart" spoken of in Matthew 5:27-28 has no limitation as to whether the person is single or married. Also Israel called the child bride of YHWH in Ezekiel chapter 16 is spoken of as being guilty of playing the harlot (verse 15), fornication (verse 15), committing whoredom (verse 17), adulery (verse 32), breaking wedlock (verse 38). Had Israel and YHWH consummated the marriage or were they engaged?

Their marriage will not be consumated until the end of the age.. just as Christ and the gentile bride will not be married until the end of the age and yet we are called his wife already... powerful isnt it?

Originally Posted by Sam

We currently use "fornication" to apply only to a single person and "adultery" to apply only to a married person. What words were used in the original languages in the Old Testament and New Testament and how did they apply at that time?

For example, the "adultery in the heart" spoken of in Matthew 5:27-28 has no limitation as to whether the person is single or married. Also Israel called the child bride of YHWH in Ezekiel chapter 16 is spoken of as being guilty of playing the harlot (verse 15), fornication (verse 15), committing whoredom (verse 17), adulery (verse 32), breaking wedlock (verse 38). Had Israel and YHWH consummated the marriage or were they engaged?

Brother SAm.. 35 references to fornication in scriptures NOT ONE dealing with marriage

Brother Sam 82 references to Adultery in scripture ALL OF THEM dealing with marriage...

So I don't know, you be the judge of what Christ meant when he said fornication...

Hosea 4 - your daughters shall commit fornication and your spouses shall commit adultery