The Remission is Different from Forgiveness Myth

[Apocrypha]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

My point was that just because it's the same Greek word doesn't mean it has the same definition.

oh, in that case lets begin the debate on why the KJV translators used Holiness instead of Sanctification, they are both the same exact greek word... but have different understandings in english.

With the exception of where the word Hagiosune (and i know that off the top of my head) is used, almost every other verse on NT holiness could be reworded as Santification... imagine the legalistic teaching that would demolish in the process

holiness is a state

sanctification is a process


thats a much more fun debate than repentence and remittance (welcome to AFF btw, please stay and debate... you may become a convert to grace along the way)

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

oh, in that case lets begin the debate on why the KJV translators used Holiness instead of Sanctification, they are both the same exact greek word... but have different understandings in english.

With the exception of where the word Hagiosune (and i know that off the top of my head) is used, almost every other verse on NT holiness could be reworded as Santification... imagine the legalistic teaching that would demolish in the process

holiness is a state

sanctification is a process


thats a much more fun debate than repentence and remittance (welcome to AFF btw, please stay and debate... you may become a convert to grace along the way)

What's the end result of sanctification?

BTW, that would be an interesting discussion.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Apocrypha

oh, in that case lets begin the debate on why the KJV translators used Holiness instead of Sanctification, they are both the same exact greek word... but have different understandings in english.

With the exception of where the word Hagiosune (and i know that off the top of my head) is used, almost every other verse on NT holiness could be reworded as Santification... imagine the legalistic teaching that would demolish in the process

holiness is a state

sanctification is a process


thats a much more fun debate than repentence and remittance (welcome to AFF btw, please stay and debate... you may become a convert to grace along the way)

I agree 100% about Holiness. I've been a convert to Grace for some time now. Real Grace. Not greasy grace.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Hmmm ... are you in Berean mode or defend your institution mode?

Your 7-8 proof texts for baptismal regeneration have been amply refuted by many for generations and here also.

If you are going to quote scripture ... we all got a bible ... E.D.

If you have a point .... step up to the plate ... and watch for commas.

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Hmmm ... are you in Berean mode or defend your institution mode?

Your 7-8 proof texts for baptismal regeneration have been amply refuted by many for generations and here also.

If you are going to quote scripture ... we all got a bible ... E.D.

If you have a point .... step up to the plate ... and watch for commas.

I simply quote a Scripture and send you into a frenzy? Forgive my hillbilly ignorance and inferior intellect compared with your otherworldly intelligence, but how do you "refute" this verse? Let me guess, there's another Greek lesson coming. Man, why couldn't you have been there to show those ignorant and unlearned translators of the KJV how to read Greek? Then we'd have an accurate Bible. Oh well, I guess we'll just keep depending on you to tell us what the Scriptures really say.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

I simply quote a Scripture and send you into a frenzy? Forgive my hillbilly ignorance and inferior intellect compared with your otherworldly intelligence, but how do you "refute" this verse?

Don't have to refute God's Word ... it is what it is ... not what you think it says.

Your baptismal regenerationist interpretation is not the only plausible one.

Still waiting to know why you quoted it. What does it mean to you, E.D.?

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Don't have to refute God's Word ... it is what it is ... not what you think it says.

Your baptismal regenerationist interpretation is not the only plausible one.

Still waiting to know why you quoted it. What does it mean to you, E.D.?

To me, it means just what it says.

[ronharvey]

Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

I simply quote a Scripture and send you into a frenzy? Forgive my hillbilly ignorance and inferior intellect compared with your otherworldly intelligence, but how do you "refute" this verse? Let me guess, there's another Greek lesson coming. man, why couldn't you have been there to show those ignorant and unlearned translators of the KJV how to read Greek?

Frenzy? Is that what all this stuff on the floor is from?

Hand me the dust pan, I'll clean it up again....

Ron

[Ev. Duane Williams]

Originally Posted by ronharvey

Frenzy? Is that what all this stuff on the floor is from?

Hand me the dust pan, I'll clean it up again....

Ron

I don't get it.