"Kill Him", "Treason", "Off With His Head!"

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by RunningOnFaith

I don't associate these comments at a McCain/Palin rally with Sen. McCain anymore then I do the silly Dance tribute or child singing to Sen. Obama. However, I do consider these comments to be far more dangerous and polarizing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjxzm...logs/bensmith/

This is a mob, give me a break. A mob is the crowd that was breaking windows and riouting at the GOP convention .This group sounded to me like a group of McCain/Palin supporters being harassed by the media. The reporter had a real problem getting away from that one young lady. I think she said things he didn't really want to hear.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

This is a mob, give me a break. A mob is the crowd that was breaking windows and riouting at the GOP convention .This group sounded to me like a group of McCain/Palin supporters being harassed by the media. The reporter had a real problem getting away from that one young lady. I think she said things he didn't really want to hear.

This is a polemic. They probably had a lot of tape on the ground too in the cutting room if you know what I mean.

Most of these people are idiots that don't think for themselves or have not investigated the claims but listen to sound bytes by talk shows or believe the stuff they get in emails. It's sad because there are some smart people that are very gullible too

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

Yeah, this is a SURE way to help encourage racial diversity within the Republican Party!

Those idiots make this Republican proud!!!

I don't make any excuses those comments. They are deplorable and unfortunate.

But you seem to be implying these comments are motivated by racism.

Why do we have to inject race into this?

Maybe they just have a problem with Socialists.

The man was once a member of the socialist New Party. That by itself is reason for him not to be elected. No member or former member of a socialist party should be anywhere near the Oval Office, much less sit IN the Oval Office.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=19295
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gla...list-new-party
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com...obama-was.html

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I don't make any excuses those comments. They are deplorable and unfortunate.

But you seem to be implying these comments are motivated by racism.

Why do we have to inject race into this?

Maybe they just have a problem with Socialists.

The man was once a member of the socialist New Party. That by itself is reason for him not to be elected. No member or former member of a socialist party should be anywhere near the Oval Office, much less sit IN the Oval Office.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=19295
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gla...list-new-party
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com...obama-was.html

Because this IS racially motivated.

When Bill Clinton ran for President, and the economy was not nearly as bad as it is today, were there folks accusing him of treason, chanting to "kill him" or cut his head off?


Follow the link below, go to the 3rd paragraph in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_132572.html


It is common knowledge that there are a significant amount of voters who are not going to vote for Sen. Obama because of his race.

So how can I watch this stuff, read this stuff, and just rule out race as being a factor?

And I am a registered Republican!

If I wasn't, and I saw what I saw on tv in DC today, it would be easy for an objective Black person to think, at least initially, that this is representative of the Republican party.

Especially if Sen McCain or Gov. Palin does not condemn this stuff.

Even then, these kind of incidents only reinforce commonly held stereotypes about the Republican party.



Ask any objective Black person you know-- if they have heard about these incidents, ask them if they think race a part, maybe even a major part, in all of this displayed hatred.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by 1399

Because this IS racially motivated.

When Bill Clinton ran for President, and the economy was not nearly as bad as it is today, were there folks accusing him of treason, chanting to "kill him" or cut his head off?

You're assuming racial bias when it's difficult if not impossible to prove.

People hated Clinton, People hated Clinton (yes, some have accused him of treason), People hate Bush this very day... and have said some hateful things about these men, including wishing them death. The hatred was based on their politics and policies, not their race. Why is it if a group of people say similar things about Obama it's got to be about race?

Is this what we have to expect if Obama becomes president...? Anyone who criticized him will be doing so because of his race?

Yes, race is a factor lurking in the background in the minds of some voters.
But how can you assume that a group of people saying hateful things about a candidate are saying it because of his race, if they dont specifically say anything regarding race?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes, race is a factor lurking in the background in the minds of some voters.
But how can you assume that a group of people saying hateful things about a candidate are saying it because of his race, if they dont specifically say anything regarding race?

Because of the context of what else is happening.

Did you read paragraph 3 of the last article I referred to?

The link before was a link to a racially motivated hate crime in London, over a Sen. Obama t-shirt.

Because of the location-- where this stuff is happening.


I don't think you have to "expect" this every time someone criticizes Sen. Obama. He has been criticized by Democrat and Republican alike for the last 2 years-- nothing like this has happened (that I know of) because people really did not think this man would win.

There are a lot of folks who are nervous about Sen. Obama winning.

Most aren't nervous because of his race. But there is a significant amount of people who are nervous and his race has something to do with that nervousness.

What's being reported now is motivated out of hate.

It's impossible for me to ignore race (in these incidents), considering the facts.

[All4one]

Originally Posted by rgcraig
There are stupid people everywhere on both sides of the fence.

There are no stupid people on my side of the fence!!!!!!!!!!!!! wait, I'm the only one out here. am I stupid?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by All4one

There are no stupid people on my side of the fence!!!!!!!!!!!!! wait, I'm the only one out here. am I stupid?

I vote, "No".

[TRFrance]

Yes, I saw what you're referring to.

How many people were at the event? Maybe thousands?
How many people were shouting stuff? Maybe hundreds?

And they're reporting that many people shouted hateful stuff, including one who used a racial remark.

1... how does this refelect on mccain/pallin? Are they responsible to hear every such remark made at a rally, and rebuke the person?
2... Why are you making it seem like racists are only in the Republican party and not the Democratic party? Do you not know that some racists vote Republican and some vote Democrat? Do you not know some democrats have said they will cross over and vote for the other party because they cant vote for a black man?

Why are you not as disturbed by racism among Democrats as among Republicans?
What.. you didnt know it existed? Ok. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4M...eature=related

see also http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840/

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[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Yes, I saw what you're referring to.

How many people were at the event? Maybe thousands?
How many people were shouting stuff? Maybe hundreds?

And they're reporting that many people shouted hateful stuff, including one who used a racial remark.

1... how does this refelect on mccain/pallin? Are they responsible to hear every such remark made at a rally, and rebuke the person?
2... Why are you making it seem like racists are only in the Republican party and not the Democratic party? Do you not know that some racists vote Republican and some vote Democrat? Do you not know some democrats have said they will cross over and vote for the other party because they cant vote for a black man?

Why are you not as disturbed by racism among Democrats as among Republicans?
What.. you didnt know it existed? Ok. Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4M...eature=related

see also http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840/

.

1) It doesn't reflect on McCain/Palin if they squash that kind of stuff before it gets out of hand. Maybe not every remark, but if the tv cameras can pick up the remark, that candidate can probably hear the remark.

2) I'm not saying that racists are only in the Republican party. But, as a Black man, if I was a Democrat watching what I saw, reading what I have read, it would do little to encourage me to consider becoming a Republican.

What I saw today reminded me of stuff I had only heard about, read about in history.

I know about the Dixie-crats of history. I know some of the most "progressive" folks who call themselves Democrats who are "progressive" for aevery one else until it comes down to their neighborhoods, their school, their dinner table.

What I saw rattled me and so I posted a thread about it.

The video you posted reflects the minds of many folks-- but these good folks were not spouting anything violent or hateful. I wasn't put off by any of it at all.