The Beast in Revelation 13 & 17

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

huh?

Lol, I've seen this "eighth of the seven" tossed around so much...so many trying to read Revelation literally, ...

ps, but I was agreeing with you, btw : )

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Austin

No one actually knows where it was located in the beginning it's just secondary guess work. i think it was in Iran. So think Turkey, and I have heard it was in northern Africa close to Egypt.
The Babylon in the revelations is the world systems and governments including religious sects to include Christianity that is apostatized from the read deal..

Really? I'll be, I always thought "Iraq," as the Bible seems to be pretty clear on a physical location, or at least an area, for the builders of 'Babel?' How could it possibly be in Africa? Hmm, i thought the location in Iraq had been verified? Foundation stones or something? but I could be completely wrong here.

[bbyrd009]

You guys aren't really looking for 10 physical "kings" to support 3 or 1 that was, and then wasn't and then is again, in some "future" scenario; pray tell?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

You guys aren't really looking for 10 physical "kings" to support 3 or 1 that was, and then wasn't and then is again, in some "future" scenario; pray tell?

Well, bbyrd, I don't know. Just tossing around bits and pieces of info (puzzle) because I am curious. There is a think tank consisting of somewhere about 56 countries called the Club of Rome. They did divide the world up into Ten Regions. The governments of the world did start developing the regions patterned after the old roman empire. Perhaps it is coincidental that they started with what countries used to be the Old Roman Empire and now call it the European Union.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Austin

Well there are several things located there that are there for a reason and were pre ordered that way. I'm not talking about the mason theory either, iam talking about the early organization of people who came here along with the ones which came under the pretense of freedom.
Those things in DC around the capital in articular design were placed there by the illuminati symbolizing their presents in this nation. These people have been around since the time of Egypt and Moses. They have worked their way down through government and religion unto this very day.
From a world of magic and dark secrets in demonic powers to the modern day financial world of power and influence world wide.
I know this may to some sound like another here we go with another mystery of the imagination, but trust me I have read materials by persons who were close to this organization and know they exist.
A book which is in the archives section of libraries called, Pawns in the Game, it was written in 1949 by a man who knew about the money market of this world and the world banks and their finical holders. This book was the first one that I had ever read on the subject matter, now there are plenty of others.
Power, money,and personal recognition, that's what it's about!
It is clearly quoted in scripture; [ The love,( lust ) for money is the root of ALL evil.]
Just think about it for a moment. Then ask yourself, who is behind all the money?
Those things in DC are designed from Egypt through the Roman empire and down to now. They have removed and are removing anything which connects structures in that area with the God of Christianity and the OT reflection of things.
Maybe we need another Moses to lay down his staff to consume their snakes, they have so many of them under their power Moses would need a BIG snake, so he would have to go out west and cut down a redwood tree and make a staff from it to be able to consume all theirs.

Pawns in the Game...I have not heard of that book. The people who write these books are not fly-by-night Steven King type authors are they?

I am leaning to the belief that the wicked people (and the spirit that controlled them) who were in power in the day Jesus walked this earth are still in power through their descendants.

What is Illuminati?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Rev 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

The beast ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition. The beast was, IS NOT, and yet is. Interesting!

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The beast is not part of the seven kings (or kingdoms). As of John's time when we was writing the book of Revelation. The seventh kingdom had not risen. The angel says when the seventh kingdom rises, he will continue " a short space" AND then the beast will take over.

The seven kingdoms and ten horns originate from the beast. However, the beast himself becomes the eight and final kingdom and goes into perdition.


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

When the beast rises to the scene, ten kings rise with him to support him.

Do you see anything that might suggest that this is in the process of taking place in today's society of globalization?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Well, bbyrd, I don't know. Just tossing around bits and pieces of info (puzzle) because I am curious. There is a think tank consisting of somewhere about 56 countries called the Club of Rome. They did divide the world up into Ten Regions. The governments of the world did start developing the regions patterned after the old roman empire. Perhaps it is coincidental that they started with what countries used to be the Old Roman Empire and now call it the European Union.

Ha, yup, familiar with all that. And let me say that I used to look for national and political meanings here, in this symbolic representation of spiritual principalities; and that they will have some meaning, since satan operates through the national and political--but you will always run into "inconsistencies" with this model that can only be explained when you shift your premise here to the spiritual; "you" here meant as the collective "you," of course.
Any idea what "10" means, spiritually? (I don't know)
hmm, funny, I know 9 and 11...

[AreYouReady?]

I don't know but I might try to look it up.

[bbyrd009]

ya, I used to have a good source for that; now I'll have to hunt...

[TyronePalmer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I believe that The beast of Rev 13 is NERO and/or ROME. The fourth beast of Daniel 7, and there was not a fifth one after the fourth in Daniel 7.. Nero was even called a BEAST by secular contemporaries, and the entire church world recognized him as such.

Having said that, I do not believe there will be another world power like Rome, and Rome was the last. I take it literally w3hen it says the events of Revelation were at hand from the point of John's day.

How do you explain the scriptures that tell us the whole world will be forced to take a mark and worship the beast and his image?

And what about the beast of the earth who is able to call down fire from heaven in the site of men?

Rev. 13:13-15

"He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

How do you explain these scriptures?