Autism or possession

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I am very cautious identifying things like this. It would be horrible to treat a person like they are possessed if they are suffering from something physical. I am not trying to say every case of mental disorder is possession. I am merely looking for feedback. The Bible had several cases of demon possession that is mentioned in the gospels and most of which would be labeled as mental disorders today. I would not identify it being demonic unless I was for certain and that I could do something about it. I have never cast out a devil, but I do believe that I have the authority to. My heart goes out to those people and their families who are suffering from supposed mental disorders.

Forgive me, brother, but I don't think you answered my question.

What is it specifically about autism that made you wonder whether or not neuro-divergent people might be possessed?

- Is it their stimming?
- Inability to read facial expressions?
- Inability to generate facial expressions?
- Difficulty reading social situations and responding accordingly?
- Lack of eye contact?
- Seeming emotionally detached?
- Disinterest in affection?
- Something else?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Autism used to be called childhood schizophrenia. Definitely spiritual in origin.

Remember when you deal with multiple situations with different people involved but all their symptoms are identical, then look towards the spiritual.

Symptoms include anger uncontrolled, seizures, etc. No physical causes, like a broken finger or etc, but one day the child begins to exhibit traits.

We deal very heavily with this particular oppression/ possession in our dealing with the Lds. The FLDS are even worse. In their clans it is overwhelming the numbers of kids diagnosed with autism.

As we work with them more and more we see patterns in their families going back generations. Perversion, witchcraft, drug dependence.

Autism is spiritual based. With non LDS, prayer for deliverance is a start. Talk with the parents, see where some open doors might be.

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Teaching a Bible study right now to a family coming out of Mormonism. The man is probably a 6th generation lds, the woman is a convert from Catholicism to Mormonism.

Definitely 2 different approaches. The ex Catholic is making great progress, the man and daughter, both diagnosed with autism, more difficult. They have hit the wall because of their mind meds.... from autism diagnosis.

If I had to call autism anything I would call it a possible gateway spirit. It only paves the way for more dominant spiritual oppression like drug addiction and witchcraft.

Autism is spiritual.

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Now I want to reiterate again about oppression versus possession. We have both spectrums we deal with.

Drugs, pharmacytos if you want to use galatians 5.20, witchcraft, is absolutely a door to spiritual oppression. Illegal or legal makes no difference. Does everyone who uses drugs get oppressed or possessed? No. Does drugs give open doors to spiritual activities? Yes.

To answer your question about deliverance from autism, absolutely possible. Seen it happen over and over. Also seen it not happen even though we prayed.

This is the spiritual condition that Jesus healed in the Gospel.

One is led to wonder when the Lord will deliver us from the pseudo-spirit of extra-Biblical, charismania nonsense.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Bro Flame

I don't think of autistic people as being possessed, but I don't doubt God's ability to heal them.

Originally Posted by good samaritan

It is wonderful to help people who are mentally challenged find purpose and be productive in the kingdom of God. The sad part of these disorders listed is that people suffer from them. Are we afraid to pray for their healing so they no longer need special intervention? We now have sign teams in the church and that is awesome. I have seen deaf people filled with the baptism of the Holy Ghost and it is awesome to witness. If the Spirit of God is there to fill will it not also heal? I have felt a burden lately for someone with autism. I don’t mind trying to find a way to incorporate people and make them feel useful. Matter of fact for the last several weeks I have been using someone in the sound booth at our church for that reason. They are doing a great job too. I feel like I am failing them, because I dont know what to do. I want to see them healed or delivered whichever really applies. I am not frustrated, but I am burdened.

Originally Posted by Jito463

I was just planning to post something similar as I read the first page, but you beat me to it. God can heal anything. In fact, we had an awesome service just last night, that culminated in talking about how God can heal mental diseases just like He can heal physical ailments.

Whether they're demonic possession or not is irrelevant, God is all powerful.

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Amen! God is still the healer.

Have any of you ever considered the possibility that people who exhibit so-called autistic neuro-divergencies are not specimens to be healed but humans to be loved but otherwise left alone, apart from general consideration and kindness whenever interactions occur, and evangelism if the opportunity arises?

Have any of you ever considered the possibility that people who exhibit so-called autistic neuro-divergencies may suffer from a comorbidity that involves spiritual problems of a demonic nature that is neither the cause or result of, their so-called autistic neuro-divergencies because they, like everyone else, has a law of sin in their members that they cannot overcome without the saving power of the grace of God, same as you and any other saint?

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Monterrey

Teaching a Bible study right now to a family coming out of Mormonism. The man is probably a 6th generation lds, the woman is a convert from Catholicism to Mormonism.

Definitely 2 different approaches. The ex Catholic is making great progress, the man and daughter, both diagnosed with autism, more difficult. They have hit the wall because of their mind meds.... from autism diagnosis.

Have you considered the possibility that the wife is lusting after you and so, is "making great progress" and that the husband and daughter got drug into this Bible study by her, against their will, and so, are manifesting difficulty and are "hitting a wall" because they are disinterested, even resistant to being involved?

Is that not just as likely?

It is certainly a more parsimonious explanation, Occam's Razor, and all that.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Forgive me, brother, but I don't think you answered my question.

What is it specifically about autism that made you wonder whether or not neuro-divergent people might be possessed?

- Is it their stimming?
- Inability to read facial expressions?
- Inability to generate facial expressions?
- Difficulty reading social situations and responding accordingly?
- Lack of eye contact?
- Seeming emotionally detached?
- Disinterest in affection?
- Something else?

Uncontrollable gross sinful behavior

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

If we are going to say "drug use" is an open door to spiritual bondage, are we talking about EVERY drug or just the ones the government doesnt like?

Just the ones the government doesn't like.

Does the government and doctors approval create a barrier to possession or oppression?

Of course. Because, after all, Pentecostal caffeine and food addictions aren't spirits.

If there is a spiritual connection*and Im not saying there is or isnt* to substance use...but if there is, where is the cutoff of spiritual danger on the whole pharmaceutical spectrum? Is the whole thing verboten? Or just up to a certain point where it begins to affect mood and mind? If what is affecting mood and mind is what is the open door then what about everything ELSE that affects mood and mind thats not considered drugs or medication? Looking at YOU caffeine!

Nah, bro. Don't go making too much sense around here.

Look folks, Im not trying to be pedantic...if you actually know me and have had any interaction with me beyond surface level shenanigans you know that.

Could the pharmaceutical industry be a faction used by Satan to be the dark horse to sneak demonic control into acceptable mainstream? People just look at the physical and mental aspects as far as being fit or unfit for human consumption as far as being worth the risk to take...maybe we need to have level for spiritual toxicity as well...then again how much of the spiritual issues are pre existing and the substance use is a form of spiritual pica.*pica being the disorder where people ingest substances because of lack of certain minerals usually in pregnancy*..the soul desperately crying out for relief?

When Jesus cast evil spirits out of people, where was the pharmaceutical industry then?

We see one use of a Greek word in Galatians and commit a root word fallacy over it because we have a Strong's Concordance we don't even know how to use properly, and suddenly, we are the recipients of divine revelation!

@Monterrey....can you describe the differences you have observed before and after an Autism deliverance?

???

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Honestly, most Christians today wouldn’t know what to do if it was demonic.

Most Christians today are so busy labelling things demonic that are not demonic that they have no actual awareness of the actual activity of actual demons.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Have you got any experience dealing with unacceptable behavior in high functioning autistic kids.

Have you got any experience dealing with unacceptable behavior in high functioning neuro-typical kids?

Have you ran into a person telling you they can’t stop a certain behavior even when they know it is bad. As if they are being controlled by some external force.

It's called the flesh, with a mix of projection and disassociation added in.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Uncontrollable gross sinful behavior

And that is a indication of autism?

[good samaritan]

What if the autistic had predatory sexual behavior. Would you think that they should be loved or left alone or committed somewhere where they couldn’t hurt anyone. It seems like you may have the idea that people who believe some cases of autism could be demonic want to just torment some poor helpless soul. I have seen the pharmaceutical do far more damage to these children by getting them stoned out of their mind so they will stop acting out. I would never try casting a devil out of someone because I had a hunch they might be possessed. Neither would I start a gossip ring in the church that someone had a devil.