The UPCI Needs a Healer

[NLYP]

BRO. RKS...
I love you...and I know you love me....
What has happened will turn out to be a very healthy thing for ALL involved.
It will NEVER be reversed...there is no turning back.
Attitude will be our altitude!

The far right has wanted their own thing for years....
They could not get elected in, so they feel its best to move on....

MOST of what we are seeing is political jockeying.....for positions.....positions they could have not gotten had they stayed in.

I love these men and wish them well...BUT...the future of the United Pentecostal Church is brighter then it has ever been...from the merger of 1945 to present...WE have never been more poised to win the lost and impact our world.

Just sit back,,,take a deep breath...keep winning Conroe...BUT watch...you will see...its gonna be great!

My Respect

Bro. Dan

[Thad]

Originally Posted by NLYP

BRO. RKS...
I love you...and I know you love me....
What has happened will turn out to be a very healthy thing for ALL involved.
It will NEVER be reversed...there is no turning back.
Attitude will be our altitude!

The far right has wanted their own thing for years....
They could not get elected in, so they feel its best to move on....

MOST of what we are seeing is political jockeying.....for positions.....positions they could have not gotten had they stayed in.

I love these men and wish them well...BUT...the future of the United Pentecostal Church is brighter then it has ever been...from the merger of 1945 to present...WE have never been more poised to win the lost and impact our world.

Just sit back,,,take a deep breath...keep winning Conroe...BUT watch...you will see...its gonna be great!

My Respect

Bro. Dan

Dan you hit a home run on this one! You'll NEVER get any admission to this but truely, that sums it up in a nut shell. It was always be in the name of "standing for Truth" when in reality, most of it is a fight for power for most.

I told you all there was a split coming 4-5 years ago but you laughed and scorned me - I knew i was right because i saw it develop before my very eyes.

There is a shaking going on Everywhere, in every Apostolic organization and really, in all of christiandom.

look for some major things to be uncovered in the years to come. scoff if you want to but I will be right about it in the end and it will be those who proclaim to be most holy holy. unforunatley, a lot of laity that put their faith in Men will be hurt and disollusioned of course. But who can tell them anything at this point? you just have to let it runs its course

[Neck]

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

The United Pentecostal Church Needs a Healer

Shocked silence filled the conference when the announcement was made….

The resolution passed….

Those there, will never forget the sudden vacuum….

Time only will tell what really happened in that moment….

Some declare Ichabod…..

Others Revival….

I personally feel our movement was swept with a spirit of confusion….

We all have been confused since the vote….

We have all grieved….

However….

Such a decision will not be without consequence….

The consequence may well be more painful than any really understood….

Unity has been called for….

Global Impact desired….

But now division is greater than ever….

Now we hear of a great convocation in Tulsa…..

Great men from the east coast are leaving….

Great men from the west are leaving….

Great men from the south as well….

Great men from all over…..

Leaving……

Will the UPCI loose 100 ….500….1000….

Or more….

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Brethren it appears there will be a major exodus…..

Sadly all will suffer…

I have come to a new conclusion today…

We need a healer…

Blessed are the peacemakers….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Brethren….

Some are saying the 2000 seat convention center in Tulsa will not be large enough…

What if such predictions are true and we see over 1000 UPCI credentialed men make some sort of commitment to leave….

The UPCI will suffer greatly….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

If indeed unity is a mandate….

Then should not unity come from World Evangelism Center….

Indeed the United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

General Superintendent Haney….

Lead the way to healing….

Go to Tulsa and tell the brethren you will lead the charge in reversing Tulsa’s decision….

Pastor Mangun….

Use your platform this year at Because of the Times to help heal the UPCI….

Without a healer….

We are divided and weakened….

Two organizations will never be united….

Rather both….

Untied….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Is there a voice….

Is there a man …..

Who can stand and serve as healer….

Somewhere within the UPCI is a man with a voice who is able to help bring healing….

Will the leadership come from WEC….

The General Superintendent….

The General Secretary….

Alexandria….

Indianapolis….

Home or Foreign Missions….

Indeed the UPCI must have a healer from within….

The healing will not come from those convening in Tulsa….

The course they choose was selected for them….

Brethren….

The United Pentecostal Church International Needs a Healer….


RKS

You sound like JFK. "Ask not what the UPC can do for you, but what you can do for the UPC?"

Why is it that men will follow what was before them because the men had vision for their day and time.

Then men continue to follow the old beat down path.

Then when men of God hear again the voice of God a fresh.

They then say it is not of God!

A fire will heal the land, it adds nutrients to the soil that will bring a greener forest to thrive.

Even lightening adds nitrogen to the soil that is needed.

Lightening needs to strike.

A healing will not take place nor will unity until their is a clearing of the land.

Once again even Jesus spoke from the boat so the his voice, the voice of the God could be carried and amplified so the masses could hear him.

If there would have been TV in his day he would have spoke for the whole world to hear him....

In Milwaukee they lower the radio broadcast waves after 8PM.

It is the FCC regulation.

Why because stations with the same call numbers get crossed over the lake.

I hear stations at 10PM from Detroit like they are Milwaukee stations.

Because sould and radio waves carry futher at night accross the water....

Many of times Jesus spoke it was in the evening from a boat...

Makes sense to me.....

Use what is available in your time....

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Could it be that many of the regrets is because they have hurt their brothers? Not that they regret the vote. I think most will really say that they don't want these brothers leaving. It will hurt, but it is a choise not a requirement for these people to leave.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Ichabod

Could it be that many of the regrets is because they have hurt their brothers? Not that they regret the vote. I think most will really say that they don't want these brothers leaving. It will hurt, but it is a choise not a requirement for these people to leave.

I agree. I think a lot of the moderate brethern love their conservative brethern and honestly hate to see them leave. However I am not sure they are still willing to let the conservatives will dictate what everybody else does just to keep them on board. That day seems to have passed with this vote.

[mfblume]

Very rhetorical first post. ...not in any way negating it's nature.

Irrellevant, I know. Carry on!

Originally Posted by rkentsmith

The United Pentecostal Church Needs a Healer

Shocked silence filled the conference when the announcement was made….

The resolution passed….

Those there, will never forget the sudden vacuum….

Time only will tell what really happened in that moment….

Some declare Ichabod…..

Others Revival….

I personally feel our movement was swept with a spirit of confusion….

We all have been confused since the vote….

We have all grieved….

However….

Such a decision will not be without consequence….

The consequence may well be more painful than any really understood….

Unity has been called for….

Global Impact desired….

But now division is greater than ever….

Now we hear of a great convocation in Tulsa…..

Great men from the east coast are leaving….

Great men from the west are leaving….

Great men from the south as well….

Great men from all over…..

Leaving……

Will the UPCI loose 100 ….500….1000….

Or more….

Now, many men who favored the resolution realize that those leaving had promised to do so before the vote….

The leavers are only keeping promises….

I have not heard from any who regret voting No…

I have heard from many who regret voting Yes…

“If we had only known”, one said an hour ago….

Brethren it appears there will be a major exodus…..

Sadly all will suffer…

I have come to a new conclusion today…

We need a healer…

Blessed are the peacemakers….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Brethren….

Some are saying the 2000 seat convention center in Tulsa will not be large enough…

What if such predictions are true and we see over 1000 UPCI credentialed men make some sort of commitment to leave….

The UPCI will suffer greatly….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

If indeed unity is a mandate….

Then should not unity come from World Evangelism Center….

Indeed the United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

General Superintendent Haney….

Lead the way to healing….

Go to Tulsa and tell the brethren you will lead the charge in reversing Tulsa’s decision….

Pastor Mangun….

Use your platform this year at Because of the Times to help heal the UPCI….

Without a healer….

We are divided and weakened….

Two organizations will never be united….

Rather both….

Untied….

The United Pentecostal Church Needs A Healer….

Is there a voice….

Is there a man …..

Who can stand and serve as healer….

Somewhere within the UPCI is a man with a voice who is able to help bring healing….

Will the leadership come from WEC….

The General Superintendent….

The General Secretary….

Alexandria….

Indianapolis….

Home or Foreign Missions….

Indeed the UPCI must have a healer from within….

The healing will not come from those convening in Tulsa….

The course they choose was selected for them….

Brethren….

The United Pentecostal Church International Needs a Healer….


RKS

Thanks to this post, there aren't enough periods for the rest of us to use for the next three days

[rgcraig]

I think God is very disappointed in all this!

Here you have two groups of men that feel they are following God's lead, but they are going in two different directions.

God doesn't do that - - people do.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think God is very disappointed in all this!

Here you have two groups of men that feel they are following God's lead, but they are going in two different directions.

God doesn't do that - - people do.

At first, I was going to say I disagree. That I dont think God is disappointed because I believe that God was the one who orchistrated this.

But then, I have to think that while I still believe that God was behind the vote, behind the desire that led to the vote, and behind what appears to be a parting of ways, that doesnt mean He is happy about it at all.


Folks want healing? here is an idea, repent. get down on your knees and beg God to forgive you for being willing to allow the politics of the organizatoin to sour to this point. Don't make a demand that someone come to you and appologize. good grief what a nutty way of viewing things.

[Steve Epley]

At the tower of Babel when the language was confounded the folks there found those who spoke the same language which became their identity. Thus in these last days it is the same men of differing stripes are looking for those who speak the same language over the complete spectrum of Pentecost. Have you noticed NO cons have been preaching at Christ Church? Likes attract. Is this evil??? I think not. I believe the Lord is in this myself. If the passing of Res. 4 was the sole reason it would be foolish but everyone on each side knows this is NOT the reason but the last straw.