Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Remission is forgiveness.
I don't have time to post the verses until tonight. So I'll have to get back with you later. Basically, when our sins forgiven/remitted is when the blood of Christ is applied. No blood, no forgiveness.
Dan, I can only stay for a few minutes. I'll be back on and off today and then perhaps have more time tonight to hash this out with you.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
Remission is forgiveness.
I don't have time to post the verses until tonight. So I'll have to get back with you later. Basically, when our sins forgiven/remitted is when the blood of Christ is applied. No blood, no forgiveness.
Dan, I can only stay for a few minutes. I'll be back on and off today and then perhaps have more time tonight to hash this out with you.
Why is the blood applied at a certain time? I thought the blood was applied at Calvary. Christ died for the sins of the world. I think we in Pentecost have tried so hard to make the bible fit our doctrine that we end up in these strange areas where it takes a huge breakthrough just to understand the basics of the gospel.
Now, we have people using very orthodox teaching to explain the exact opposite of what historical Christianity taught for hundreds of years.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
Why is the blood applied at a certain time? I thought the blood was applied at Calvary. Christ died for the sins of the world. I think we in Pentecost have tried so hard to make the bible fit our doctrine that we end up in these strange areas where it takes a huge breakthrough just to understand the basics of the gospel.
Now, we have people using very orthodox teaching to explain the exact opposite of what historical Christianity taught for hundreds of years.
The blood was shed at Calvary.
If the blood was applied at the cross to my heart (this is where the washing takes place), then I was forgiven before I ever believed, repented, and was baptized.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
The blood was shed at Calvary.
If the blood was applied at the cross to my heart (this is where the washing takes place), then I was forgiven before I ever believed, repented, and was baptized.
You were forgiven before the foundation of the world. Christs' forgiveness has nothing to do with you accepting His gift. I can forgive you before you offend me, while you are offending me and after you offend me.
We can only come into relationship if you receive my gift to you. The blood was applied at Calvary, now its up to humanity to accept and receive the gift Christ offered for us; his own body on a tree.
Here are just a few scriptures, many more on this subject.
Matthew 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Hebrews 4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 9
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by staysharp
You were forgiven before the foundation of the world. Christs' forgiveness has nothing to do with you accepting His gift. I can forgive you before you offend me, while you are offending me and after you offend me.
We can only come into relationship if you receive my gift to you. The blood was applied at Calvary, now its up to humanity to accept and receive the gift Christ offered for us; his own body on a tree.
Here are just a few scriptures, many more on this subject.
Matthew 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Hebrews 4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 9
26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
You beat me too it!!! This is what I was going to ask. When you really get down to it our sins are already forgiven and the price has been paid. We must accept what Christ has done for us. This is the power of the gospel.
Our repentance and faith allows us to enter into a covenant relationship with Christ.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by staysharp
You were forgiven before the foundation of the world. Christs' forgiveness has nothing to do with you accepting His gift. I can forgive you before you offend me, while you are offending me and after you offend me.
I believe the Bible teaches that the eternal God has perfect foreknowledge. He knows the end from the beginning. He used this foreknowledge to call, chose, predestine, justify, and glorify us before the foundation of the world. Because his foreknowledge it perfect, he can call those things the are not as though they are, IOW, God can say the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world even though Christ did not come into the world to die until near the end of time.
There is no way you can forgive someone for something they haven't done unless you have perfect foreknowledge that they will commit a transgression against you. So you would have to be God. Even though God foreknows I will repent and He will forgive me, that does not negate that the event has to come to pass.
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We can only come into relationship if you receive my gift to you. The blood was applied at Calvary, now its up to humanity to accept and receive the gift Christ offered for us; his own body on a tree.
The blood was shed at Calvary, and applied when I went down under the water in baptism in Jesus name. The debt was paid for the sins of the whole world on the cross by the sinless Lamb of God. The gift of remission of sins by the blood of Christ in a literal circumcision of our heart by the Spirit of God happens at baptism. Check out post #183 for scriptural references.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
The blood was shed at Calvary.
If the blood was applied at the cross to my heart (this is where the washing takes place), then I was forgiven before I ever believed, repented, and was baptized.
The blood is in the word,Jesus is the word.You believe and obey the word you have the blood,no other way.
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Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
The blood was shed at Calvary.
If the blood was applied at the cross to my heart (this is where the washing takes place), then I was forgiven before I ever believed, repented, and was baptized.
hmmm, now you are making me think. Truly, when are our sins forgiven.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
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Originally Posted by deltaguitar
hmmm, now you are making me think. Truly, when are our sins forgiven.
Don't be deceived,there are many deceivers in the world who twist God's word because they don't understand.Our sins are forgiven before the foundation of the world because God had a plan then to send his Son.His Son is the word of God and there is forgiveness of sins only in the word when a person obeys the word.
Re: New Doctrine Emerges: NOT Forgiven at Repentan
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizpeh
Remission is forgiveness.
I don't have time to post the verses until tonight. So I'll have to get back with you later. Basically, when our sins are forgiven/remitted is when the blood of Christ is applied. No blood, no forgiveness.
Dan, I can only stay for a few minutes. I'll be back on and off today and then perhaps have more time tonight to hash this out with you.
Which begs the question....when is the blood applied?
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