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Old 02-06-2011, 05:43 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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Throughout Church History, all movements have periods of waning, the remedy is to renew. One thing for sure you can't live on past Glory.
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The Nattering Nabobs of Negativism ( as Spiro Agnew once said) have been predicting (with barely disguised glee) the soon demise of the UPC for years....and hoping desparately that it comes about. Why?...because it would justify thier own bitterness and the vitriol that oozes from them every time the subject comes up.

But for some reason in spite of thier predictions, the UPC just keeps truckin' and even getting bigger, dealing with challenges, and working them out.....struggling as is everyone with the economy and still sending Foriegn Missionaries, building Home Missions churches, and still licensing men (and a few ladies) both old and young.

AND still preaching Truth, and separation...which torques the NNON's (see 1st line of post) to no end......
I was a licensed minister when Keneth Phillips and Mark Hanby left the UPCI. I had a friend that attended Mark Hanby's church and he told me (30+ years ago) that the UPC was dying. Bro. Keith McCann is, I believe, correct in his assessment that there is a need for renewal . I believe change must and will take place. The message of Acts 2:38. Jesus Name baptism, and the Oneness of God will never die. The traditions of men will. So whatever is not of God will change or pass away. When you say the "UPCI will die" you need to take care that you don't intend to throw out the baby with the bath water. Precious truths as were mentioned above are held by many outside of the UPCI, independents, ALJC, etc. Are all these going to die?
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:54 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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I was a licensed minister when Keneth Phillips and Mark Hanby left the UPCI. I had a friend that attended Mark Hanby's church and he told me (30+ years ago) that the UPC was dying. Bro. Keith McCann is, I believe, correct in his assessment at there is a need for renewal . I believe change must and will take place. The message of Acts 2:38. Jesus Name baptism, and the Oneness of God will never die. The traditions of men will. So whatever is not of God will change or pass away. When you say the "UPCI will die" you need to take care that you don't intend to throw out the baby with the bath water. Precious truths as were mentioned above are held by many outside of the UPCI, independents, ALJC, etc. Are all these going to die?
I believe there is something about that in Hebrews 6, let us go on!
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Old 02-06-2011, 05:56 PM
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I was a licensed minister when Keneth Phillips and Mark Hanby left the UPCI. I had a friend that attended Mark Hanby's church and he told me (30+ years ago) that the UPC was dying. Bro. Keith McCann is, I believe, correct in his assessment at there is a need for renewal . I believe change must and will take place. The message of Acts 2:38. Jesus Name baptism, and the Oneness of God will never die. The traditions of men will. So whatever is not of God will change or pass away. When you say the "UPCI will die" you need to take care that you don't intend to throw out the baby with the bath water. Precious truths as were mentioned above are held by many outside of the UPCI, independents, ALJC, etc. Are all these going to die?
And Hanby has been renewed?
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At because of the times, the general sup. Kenneth haney said" Fathers encourage your sons to preach the gospel, we are getting no applications from men under the age of 45" .



I stand by my statement ITS DYING ! SANDRA
First off, our esteemed leader was probably speaking evangelistically. I personally know many young ministers who have received a UPCI license in the past year.

Having said that, I am sure that the number coming in is not near enought to meet the demands of the harvest. I do find it a little ironic that the elders, who have long blamed "those meddling kids" for all that is wrong with the UPC are now lamenting their absence. The youth, who are blamed for much of the new (gasp) music, hairstyles, clothing, worship services, methods, and such, are now a precious commodity.

And yes, I believe that the UPCI is currently suffering a steep decline. There will always be a UPCI, but in a few years it will cease to be the vibrant leader of the apostolic world.

I kind of liken it to the break-up of "Ma Bell" into all the "Baby Bells". I think the same is currently happening in the UPCI.

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Old 07-16-2009, 06:22 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

Nice try at spin.

How many harvesters does one need to harvest weeds?

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First off, our esteemed leader was probably speaking evangelistically. I personally know many young ministers who have received a UPCI license in the past year.

Having said that, I am sure that the number coming in is not near enought to meet the demands of the harvest. I do find it a little ironic that the elders, who have long blamed "those meddling kids" for all that is wrong with the UPC are now lamenting their absence. The youth, who are blamed for much of the new (gasp) music, hairstyles, clothing, worship services, methods, and such, are now a precious commodity.

And yes, I believe that the UPCI is currently suffering a steep decline. There will always be a UPCI, but in a few years it will cease to be the vibrant leader of the apostolic world.

I kind of liken it to the break-up of "Ma Bell" into all the "Baby Bells". I think the same is currently happening in the UPCI.

By "Ma".
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Nice try at spin.

How many harvesters does one need to harvest weeds?
I am not sure what you mean here. I was not trying to "spin" anything, just bring some logical balance the original premise.

Also, I am unclear on your next statement? Who is harvesting weeds? Perhaps if you could explain your statement more clearly, I could be properly insulted.

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Old 07-16-2009, 06:26 PM
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And yes, I believe that the UPCI is currently suffering a steep decline. There will always be a UPCI, but in a few years it will cease to be the vibrant leader of the apostolic world.
i firmly believe that many forums like this has given many pentecostals/apostolics/charismatics the opportunity to express themselves and they have found out that many people in their own organizations have the same questions and issues that they themselves have had all along. Its like there is an awaking going on were people are realizing that they are not the only ones who see the contradictions. this "questioning" is getting more and more louder and visible.
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

I honestly don't relish in the death of any org really. I don't wish to write the UPCI's epitaph nor will I dance on the grave. However, change is inevitable....misery is optional!

The problem is that the UPCI has labelled so many things sin which are not labelled sin in the scripture, that it would be extremely embarrassing and assaulting its integrity, to back track. However, Jesus stated that TRUTH would set the captive free. Until one is willing to face the truth, they will continually use their energy to hide it! Fear is a terrible taskmaster and an enemy of TRUTH.

I am a holiness preacher. I believe that when we are saved that we are saved FROM something. That SOMETHING is sin! We should be able to say, "That is what I WAS and this is what I AM!"

But we should also be willing to proclaim biblical truth and let convictions stand to the bearer. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! LD
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I honestly don't relish in the death of any org really. I don't wish to write the UPCI's epitaph nor will I dance on the grave. However, change is inevitable....misery is optional!

The problem is that the UPCI has labelled so many things sin which are not labelled sin in the scripture, that it would be extremely embarrassing and assaulting its integrity, to back track. However, Jesus stated that TRUTH would set the captive free. Until one is willing to face the truth, they will continually use their energy to hide it! Fear is a terrible taskmaster and an enemy of TRUTH.

I am a holiness preacher. I believe that when we are saved that we are saved FROM something. That SOMETHING is sin! We should be able to say, "That is what I WAS and this is what I AM!"

But we should also be willing to proclaim biblical truth and let convictions stand to the bearer. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! LD
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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I honestly don't relish in the death of any org really. I don't wish to write the UPCI's epitaph nor will I dance on the grave. However, change is inevitable....misery is optional!

The problem is that the UPCI has labelled so many things sin which are not labelled sin in the scripture, that it would be extremely embarrassing and assaulting its integrity, to back track. However, Jesus stated that TRUTH would set the captive free. Until one is willing to face the truth, they will continually use their energy to hide it! Fear is a terrible taskmaster and an enemy of TRUTH.

I am a holiness preacher. I believe that when we are saved that we are saved FROM something. That SOMETHING is sin! We should be able to say, "That is what I WAS and this is what I AM!"

But we should also be willing to proclaim biblical truth and let convictions stand to the bearer. That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it! LD

Well said, well said!!

Thank God the church, the called out ones is growing everyday, God is leading and guiding the lost to salvation that is full and free in Jesus Christ. Whether or not a particular organization continues forever is not that critical, just know that the Body of Christ is alive and well in the earth today!!! He has his thousands that have not bowed to Baal.
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