Glorified Flesh?

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Now, I am going to go fix a door...

I will try to get back this evening....

Nicodemus. this is up to you now!

No bible yet. Typical.

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Mike, you are the one who claims that the body of Christ is on the right hand of the Father!!! Not me!!!!

I never said the BODY is on the right hand. I said the MAN is on the right hand. And I also said, if you cared to read, that I do not know how the body exists in heaven, but I do know that it has capabilities of being altered as it was able to ascend and appear at will out of thin air. How did the body move from one place to the next and appear of out thin air at the next?

I do believe everything that you have written here! More than you do.

What is the Body friend?

1Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

I dealt with that confusion of metaphors in my previous post.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

What do these Scriptures mean to you Mike?

For once, answer them!

I answer all you say. And you FINALLY quote a verse!!!!! (Hell just froze over!)

"For once"?

the BODY here is a METAPHOR using the husband and bride scenario as Eve was bone of Adam's bones. But that did not mean Adam did not have a personal body. So, run away, as usual.

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

So Mike, where is the right hand of Power? Do you think that God, Father, has a physical right hand? Where do you live?

the right hand of power is the place and dominion of the body of Christ, operating in power and dominion of the Spirit!

A physical right hand of power? Are you serious?

I said it is nothing physical about it. Right Hand means POWER, not a physical right hand that is powerful. It's a place of honour, not the right physical side of someone else.

Do you get that yet?

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Wow, I leave for 30 minutes and the thread blew up. I have to read what has been written.

[Nicodemus1968]

Mr. Blume,
“Too much learning hath made thee mad.”

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Wow, I leave for 30 minutes and the thread blew up. I have to read what has been written.

Someone is finally writing, which is why it appears to have blown up.

But here is a chapter from my latest book about the resurrection which corrects the error you good brethren are involved with.

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(35) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

Here we come to the direct question concerning the nature of the body that is actually resurrected. And Paul responded with a statement that makes it quite clear that it can be none other than an actual physical resurrection.


(36) Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

He said that the thing that is resurrected must have first died. Being quickened is being given life, and that is being resurrected. Here we find the actual definition of the term “resurrect.” To resurrect is to re-surge with life. And something that resurges must have previously surged with life at one point, then ceased to surge with it, or in other words, died.

Those who propose a non-physical resurrection do not have anything that died and rises. When they explain to you what they believe it is that rises, you will find that it is not what died! They believe that something rises up and out from within the physical body, but the physical body itself remains behind. They even use a portion of this chapter where the resurrection is compared to a seed being planted with the plant coming forth from that seed. That is used to explain that the body that dies is like the shell of the seed. The shell is not what rises, they say, but what’s inside the shell rises. That’s the very next verse.

(37) And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: (38) But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Their failure is in not realizing that the shell of the seed is indeed part of what comes forth from the ground. However, the point that Paul made requires all of what verses 36 through 38 teaches – not just part of it. The element that dies is the very same element that rises again, but it changes its nature when it rises. The seed is planted and is altered to rise in the form of what God designed it to rise with.

You cannot say that something rises up from within the physical body, leaving the physical body behind, when verse 36 clearly states that the element that dies is the one and the same element that rises from the dead. The physical body surged with life, then died and resurged (or resurrected), with life again. But, when it resurged, it was altered.

Jesus’ body died and that same body was raised again. That qualifies as genuine resurrection based on verse 36. However, the nature of that body changed in the rising. It was mortal but became immortal, never to die again, as Romans 6:9 stated.

So, in a physical resurrection of our bodies, we have both the concept of something dying, and then coming back to life again to satisfy the criteria of verse 36. And we have that physical body changing and being altered from a mortal body to an immortal one to satisfy the criteria of verses 37 and 38.
A non-physical resurrection denies verse 36 and does not qualify according to its criteria of what Paul taught about the body that resurrects.

Paul then continued to explain the variations of flesh as well as heavenly bodies, in order to show that a change in body occurs at resurrection.

(39) All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. (40) There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (41) There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. (42) So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: (43) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: (44) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Paul here introduced the idea that the mortal body is a natural one with which we die and are buried. The resurrected body is the mortal body raised changed in that raising to become immortal. As much as the dead body is weak in contrast to the raised body that is strong, the difference between the body that died and the body that is raised is the difference between natural and spiritual. But it’s the same body that is altered to become spiritual.

The term natural in Greek is psuchikos, which literally means soulish. The word soul in Greek is psuche .

Spiritual in Greek is pneumatikos, and is derived from the root word pneuma which is translated as spirit.

So, it is like saying that the soulish body is changed into a spiritual body.

Soul, or psuche, is literally life from nature. Animals are said to be souls as well according to Revelation 16:3 where we read about living souls in the sea. They are creatures of natural life.

This helps us think of the concept of natural as something living by nature’s form of life. And something that is spiritual is animated and made alive by Spirit rather than nature.

Christ’s body was animated by nature, died and then reanimated by Spirit, and remained alive by Spirit. Hence, it was a spiritual body.

People tend to make the mistake of thinking that a natural body is a physical body, and a spiritual body is non-physical. They simply assume that that which is spiritual is not physical, and then compare the terms physical and spiritual when considering things, including Kingdoms. They correctly believe that we experience a sort of spiritual resurrection at salvation as opposed to a physical one. However, it’s not spiritual because it is not physical. It’s spiritual because the cause of the resurrection when we are saved is the power of the Spirit of God. God’s Spirit causes us to rise to walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:13 says that, once we are saved, we can present ourselves to God as those who are alive from the dead. Nothing physical died and rose again when we were saved with this resurrection that Paul wrote about in Romans Chapter 6. However, that is not to say that the resurrection that takes place after we are saved, in our future when Jesus comes back, is a non-physical resurrection simply because it’s a spiritual body with which we’re raised. The reason that the resurrection of salvation is spiritual is not because it is non-physical. It is because the power of the Spirit regenerated our lives. Spiritual is a word that describes the kind of life or power that animates any given thing, not the material that the thing is made of.

By the same token, the resurrection of the body will be a work of the Spirit of God, not nature, seeing as it is not natural to die and then rise again with a mortal body. Seeing as nature cannot see something die and come back to life of its own accord, Christ’s body was not natural when it resurrected.

A thing that is considered spiritual can be understood by contrasting it with that which is natural, not physical. In other words, we can refer to things that are spiritual by calling them supernatural. This will help us to understand the actual contrast much better.

Many things in the Bible were said to be spiritual but were yet quite physical! In fact, in the same book that Paul explained the coming resurrection – 1 Corinthians – Chapter 10 informs us that spiritual things were physical things.

1 Corinthians 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; (2) And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; (3) And did all eat the same spiritual meat; (4) And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The meat and the drink that Israel enjoyed during the Exodus were called spiritual. Were they a form of non-physical manna and non-physical water that flowed from the non-physical rock that Moses struck? And was the rock a spiritual one because it was non-physical? No, it was most definitely a physical rock, otherwise, Moses would not have been able to strike it!

These things were supernatural – spiritual. Manna was not food provided by nature. It was supernatural food.

The water supernaturally flowed from a rock when Moses struck it, making the rock a very supernatural one as well.

These very physical things were called spiritual, proving to us that something that is spiritual is not necessarily non-physical, though at times it is indeed non-physical. It’s a matter of whether or not something is supernatural or not, not whether or not it’s non-physical.


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Salvation is supernatural, and hence a spiritual resurrection. But it’s not to be understood as being spiritual because it’s non-physical. In order to determine if something is spiritual or not, do not question whether or not it’s physical. The question is if it is supernatural or not.

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The SON OF MAN is ruling the earth now, and shall relinquish that dominion to the Father when the resurrection of the body occurs when death is the last enemy put under his feet.

THE MAN RULES NOW.

Do you believe in 2 Gods? Reading that statement, it looks as if you do.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

Mr. Blume,
“Too much learning hath made thee mad.”

Study to show thyself approved unto God. It doesn't cut it when we do not get our ideas from scripture but create a non-biblical thought and ignore bible to base it upon.


And Festus made that same claim about Paul you make about me. And Paul was right, and Festus was wrong!

THANK YOU!

So, Festus, like Paul I say,


Acts 26:25 KJV.. But he said, I am not mad, most noble Festus; but speak forth the words of truth and soberness.

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968

The SON OF MAN is ruling the earth now, and shall relinquish that dominion to the Father when the resurrection of the body occurs when death is the last enemy put under his feet.

THE MAN RULES NOW.

Do you believe in 2 Gods? Reading that statement, it looks as if you do.

How can a MAN ruling mean two gods? THE MAN is not GOD. lol When did MAN become GOD? You sound like the serpent trying to get people to become gods.

Do you believe in two Gods because Jesus was manifest in flesh on earth and He existed as Father at the same time? Same thing!

Yikes, you brethren do not even understand Oneness.

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NIc,

let's go at this systematically and dealing with each point. USING BIBLE.