The fact is... at the moment they wanted Lazarus JESUS COULD NOT because the FATHER would not allow this healing.. it was BEFORE THE TIME.. it was not in the FATHERS WILL for LAZARUS to be healed and Jesus said -- I ONLY DO WHAT MY FATHER TELLS ME and I argue he couldnt have healed Lazarus if he wanted to....
the same applies to many who attend great healing meetings... if Gods will is for the sickness to remain it will REMAIN and CANNOT BE HEALED
Now argue with clear and simple logic
I don't agree with your overall premise in this thread this particular post is correct. If we see the kenosis as Jesus laying aside his divine prerogative and relying completely upon the Father for what he did. It also is obvious that Jesus did not heal everyone that needed healing. If one believes that Paul’s affliction was physical, sometimes the answer is "No".
I don't agree with your overall premise in this thread this particular post is correct. If we see the kenosis as Jesus laying aside his divine prerogative and relying completely upon the Father for what he did. It also is obvious that Jesus did not heal everyone that needed healing. If one believes that Paul’s affliction was physical, sometimes the answer is "No".
Baron,, this was my entire point.. presented my more concisely by you...
This entire debate began when I was responding to one poster who said if Branham had a true gift from God why was not everyone healed.....
in my effort to show that many times, healing is not available because the WILL OF GOD is not always known... and thus no meeting will ever produce 100% healings in a service...
Baron,, this was my entire point.. presented my more concisely by you...
This entire debate began when I was responding to one poster who said if Branham had a true gift from God why was not everyone healed.....
in my effort to show that many times, healing is not available because the WILL OF GOD is not always known... and thus no meeting will ever produce 100% healings in a service...
I think there have been several issues along the way but there is a difference in someone claiming that someone will be healed, and them not being healed and Jesus who spoke only what he heard from the Father healing only selected individuals. Everyone not being healed in a healing service (or whatever you want to call it) is certainly not proof that they are not annointed by God.
I have had both experiences with people who are used in the gifts. One time a well know evangelist in the UPCI prophesied over my wife that the doctor had told her she couldn't have kids but she would. He was wrong, no doctor had ever told her that. We also had an experience with a "charismatic" evangelist that quoted word for word the conversation my wife and I had had that morning, and helped give us the Lord's direction in a decision we were making. Sometimes men miss. Jesus didn't.
I think there have been several issues along the way but there is a difference in someone claiming that someone will be healed, and them not being healed and Jesus who spoke only what he heard from the Father healing only selected individuals. Everyone not being healed in a healing service (or whatever you want to call it) is certainly not proof that they are not annointed by God.
I have had both experiences with people who are used in the gifts. One time a well know evangelist in the UPCI prophesied over my wife that the doctor had told her she couldn't have kids but she would. He was wrong, no doctor had ever told her that. We also had an experience with a "charismatic" evangelist that quoted word for word the conversation my wife and I had had that morning, and helped give us the Lord's direction in a decision we were making. Sometimes men miss. Jesus didn't.
Baron,, this was my entire point.. presented my more concisely by you...
This entire debate began when I was responding to one poster who said if Branham had a true gift from God why was not everyone healed.....
in my effort to show that many times, healing is not available because the WILL OF GOD is not always known... and thus no meeting will ever produce 100% healings in a service...
Read the thread title. It's clear you were speaking of the powerlessness of Jesus Christ. That's NOT what Baron is referring to, nor have you alluded to such in any of your posts. You have been claiming that Jesus was powerless to heal people who wanted healing.
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Read the thread title. It's clear you were speaking of the powerlessness of Jesus Christ. That's NOT what Baron is referring to, nor have you alluded to such in any of your posts. You have been claiming that Jesus was powerless to heal people who wanted healing.
And I maintain that position.... if the FATHERS WILL was not for them to be healed JESUS WAS POWERLESS to override the Fathers will... and heal anyone...... thus the reason he didn't even TRY to heal Lazarus.. HE COULDNT
The fact is... at the moment they wanted Lazarus JESUS COULD NOT because the FATHER would not allow this healing.. it was BEFORE THE TIME.. it was not in the FATHERS WILL for LAZARUS to be healed and Jesus said -- I ONLY DO WHAT MY FATHER TELLS ME and I argue he couldnt have healed Lazarus if he wanted to....
the same applies to many who attend great healing meetings... if Gods will is for the sickness to remain it will REMAIN and CANNOT BE HEALED
Now argue with clear and simple logic
You are deviating from the original argument which was that Branham declared many people healed who in fact were not. You then claimed that Jesus did the same thing but have yet to prove it with scripture, instead going off on rabbit trails that lead to a totally different conclusion.
The above has never been argued against on this thread. Go back to the original statements.
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Poor, Pitiful, Brainwashed, Branhamites... Trying to show Jesus as being impotent in power, in order to justify the works or the lack thereof, of a false prophet.
Poor, Pitiful, Brainwashed, Branhamites... Trying to show Jesus as being impotent in power, in order to justify the works or the lack thereof, of a false prophet.
There is a thought. Insult Jesus to prop up Branham.
I understand that many were not healed by Jesus because he passed them by, but Never, Nada, No not one person that Jesus prayed for ever left him without healing. He NEVER MISSED ONE TIME!
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