"Kill Him", "Treason", "Off With His Head!" - Page 7

Jermyn Davidson · #1 10-10-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

SOOOOO you want to make McCain responsible for people shouting out terrible things in a crowd of thousands of people?

ISN'T THAT GUILT BY ASSOCIATION?!?!?!??!!? HUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM??????????

Then I guess it IS perfectly alright to make Obama responsible for the friends he keeps. The only difference, one is a stranger in a crowd, the other is all cozy drinking coffee with Obama in his living room and helping him to launch his career.

Thanks for underscoring the importance of considering "birds of a feather" when voting.

I wasn't making a "guilt by association" argument.

The purpose of this thread was for me to post about the lunacy I saw and how put off I was by it.

Another purpose of this thread was to elaborate on how difficult it is to bring much needed diversity to the Republican Party when you have such idiots not openly repudiated.

However, in Wisconsin today, Sen. McCain did openly repudiate the "rudeness" of some of his supporters.

That is what was needed to happen-- the first time.

As for Sen. Obama and Ayers and others-- if these associations are brief and are over ten years old, it just seems like it's being brought up to stop him from being elected, as a smear tactic-- not as something of substance.

SOUNWORTHY · #2 10-10-2008, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1399

I As for Sen. Obama and Ayers and others-- if these associations are brief and are over ten years old, it just seems like it's being brought up to stop him from being elected, as a smear tactic-- not as something of substance.

Is this the same Ayers I just heard that Hassain Obama want's to appoint as his Secretary of Education? Brief association, give me a break. A man is known by the company he keeps.

Jermyn Davidson · #3 10-10-2008, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Is this the same Ayers I just heard that Hassain Obama want's to appoint as his Secretary of Education? Brief association, give me a break. A man is known by the company he keeps.

There is no way that anyone would appoint that Ayers fellow for anything in their Cabinet.

That is an unfounded rumor.

OldTimey · #4 10-11-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

Is this the same Ayers I just heard that Hassain Obama want's to appoint as his Secretary of Education? Brief association, give me a break. A man is known by the company he keeps.

It's funny that you choose to list his middle name and you can't even spell it.

SOUNWORTHY · #5 10-11-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by OldTimey

It's funny that you choose to list his middle name and you can't even spell it.

No matter how you spell Barack hussein Obama, it sounds like trouble. I'm afraid if he get's in our country is going you know where in a you know what.

deacon blues · #6 10-11-2008, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 1399

I wasn't making a "guilt by association" argument.

The purpose of this thread was for me to post about the lunacy I saw and how put off I was by it.

Another purpose of this thread was to elaborate on how difficult it is to bring much needed diversity to the Republican Party when you have such idiots not openly repudiated.

However, in Wisconsin today, Sen. McCain did openly repudiate the "rudeness" of some of his supporters.

That is what was needed to happen-- the first time.

As for Sen. Obama and Ayers and others-- if these associations are brief and are over ten years old, it just seems like it's being brought up to stop him from being elected, as a smear tactic-- not as something of substance.

You say you arent making the guilt by association argument, but the principle is there. Its a little hard to justify condemning McCain for the shouts of strangers in a crowd and pooh-poohing the relationships Obama has with very radical people.

For every kook shouting nonesense at a McCain/Palin rally, there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that are pathetically attacking the GOP ticket with very crude humor, angry remarks and distasteful suggestions. I haven't heard Obama repudiating these. In fact he gladly receives their support and donations.

If McCain had been in any way associated with Timothy McVey ten or teanty years ago, do you think the liberal media and the Democrats would be leaving it alone? These relationships were not "brief" as you suggest. They were intertwined in Chicago area politics and community projects. And it should be brought up to stop him from being elected---especially since the Obama campaign seems very defensive about it, and that Obama lied in saying that Ayers was"just a man who lived in my neighborhood." If such an inconsequential relationship, why lie about it?

Lies and obfuscation are red flag warnings to me from anyone who wants to be president.

Jermyn Davidson · #7 10-11-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

You say you arent making the guilt by association argument, but the principle is there. (1) Its a little hard to justify condemning McCain for the shouts of strangers in a crowd and pooh-poohing the relationships Obama has with very radical people.

(2) For every kook shouting nonesense at a McCain/Palin rally, there are dozens of Hollywood celebrities that are pathetically attacking the GOP ticket with very crude humor, angry remarks and distasteful suggestions. I haven't heard Obama repudiating these. In fact he gladly receives their support and donations.

If McCain had been in any way associated with Timothy McVey ten or teanty years ago, do you think the liberal media and the Democrats would be leaving it alone? (3) These relationships were not "brief" as you suggest. They were intertwined in Chicago area politics and community projects. And it should be brought up to stop him from being elected---especially since the Obama campaign seems very defensive about it, and that Obama lied in saying that Ayers was"just a man who lived in my neighborhood." If such an inconsequential relationship, why lie about it?

Lies and obfuscation are red flag warnings to me from anyone who wants to be president.

Hey Deacon,

(1) I did not condemn Sen. McCain in this thread.

(2) Outside of Bernhardt, I haven't heard of anyone advocating any kind of violence towards any of the candidates.

The Hollywood folks you are talking about are NOT in Sen. Obama's face, or at one of his rallies shouting epithets of race and violence. One can't address everything, but if it's happening right in front of you and you're supposed to be a leader, then you should take charge of that situation.

(3) If Sen. Obama is lying, then he needs to be held accountable for his lies and Americans will hold him accountable by simply not voting for him.

Scott Hutchinson · #8 10-10-2008, 11:39 PM

I have my preferences in the election,but I certainly don't hate anyone with an opposing view.

OldTimey · #9 10-11-2008, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

I have my preferences in the election,but I certainly don't hate anyone with an opposing view.

It's sad that this is such a refreshing statement.

Jermyn Davidson · #10 10-11-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by OldTimey

It's sad that this is such a refreshing statement.

you know, you're right. The 2000 election showed just how polarized our country had become. You would think after 9/11 that our country would be not so polarized.

However, I think our country has become even more polarized and I think money and class is at the root of the polarization.

Many folks blame the current Admin for the destruction of America's middle class. I'm not sure if we should blame any one, not sure if it does any good.

All (or definitely most) of the issues that divide the citizens of this country can be traced to money and class.