The Beast in Revelation 13 & 17

[Austin]

The book of revelation was written to the churches at that time and reflects to them even now and in different ways as to how many different types of churches there are.
Problem! The things now and the terminology now are different. Focused knowledge on the earth and universe is different now then it was then.Our understanding of jesus and heaven different now then it was then. Our ability to broaden our thought pattern is greater today then it was then.
Symbolism today is different in light of all there is on the earth today then there was then. So, interpretation of things concerning end times has broaden in it's description of how things will be.
To me I don't care if it is tomorrow or next year. I don't care if satan rises up in the world because he and he's hell raisers are already here tormenting people all the day long. I don't care if a temple is built in Jerusalem or in China I'm ready now and have a temple in His kingdom the one which is in the in heavens.

[bbyrd009]

Well, see that the symbology of the place names, etc. in Revelations and elsewhere is pretty well known, and that all through the NT, when you see something like "...in Gilead," or something, the Scripture is telling you something on another level. A bible engine, "lexicon" of Armageddon, for instance,
http://biblelexicon.org/revelation/16-16.htm
is fascinating (ha, mountain of unclear orig, indeed), those blue "Har" and "Megiddon" links down there on the lower right, all will lead you to the battle here at Armageddon, the battle for the center of you going on right now. ps with heaven right beside...ha, I remember "mountain of the seekers" ("from the sea", or waters, I forget) with overtones of self-cutting popping up, how freaky is that...
Understand I AM.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Austin

Focused knowledge on the earth and universe is different now then it was then.Our understanding of jesus and heaven different now then it was then. Our ability to broaden our thought pattern is greater today then it was then.
Symbolism today is different in light of all there is on the earth today then there was then. So, interpretation of things concerning end times has broaden in it's description of how things will be.

Yes. Literal translation has caused great turmoil when reading the Bible. When I say "apple of my eye" today, we understand the literal translation does not mean... an apple in my eye... So perhaps similar statements, especially when dealing with visions, and things never seen before, as in the book of Revelation are speaking of things that literal translations don't take into account.

Originally Posted by Austin

To me I don't care if it is tomorrow or next year. I don't care if satan rises up in the world because he and he's hell raisers are already here tormenting people all the day long. I don't care if a temple is built in Jerusalem or in China I'm ready now and have a temple in His kingdom the one which is in the in heavens.

Well, I get your point. I believe hindsight will be 20/20 and there will come a day, perhaps very soon... when all that is written in Revelation will be understood by all mankind... until then, we are waiting with veiled, clouded vision, understanding in part, but not seeing all clearly...

So for now, the words of Jesus ring the loudest in my ears... Luke 21:36 "Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Well, why would it be a pc chip, if the "mark" is not? Revelationbs 14, to me, describes believers who have Christ and God in their mind via study?

God is consistent with his symbols. When something is on the forehead in one instance in a vision, then the other instance is similar and of the same nature, albeit opposite when we speak of the enemy's mark and the father's name.


The mark of the beast is mentioned SEVEN TIMES in Revelation, but hardly anyone knows that the SEAL OF GOD in the forehead is also mentioned SEVEN TIMES. Revelation shows OPPOSITES in the enemy's camp to what is in God's camp. And the mark is not the only thing. The NAME OF THE BEAST is mentioned as well, which is opposite to the Father's name. Everyone hears of MARK. What about the NAME and NUMBER of the beast? Whatever the nature of the forehead is in the mark issue is the same with the father's name reference. This keeps consistency in biblical use of imagery.

I studied the thought and noticed that Rev 14 coincides with Matthew 7. Jesus said we cannot enter the Kingdom unless we do the WILL of the FATHER. Ezekiel was told one day that God would make his FOREHEAD harder than the sinners forehaeads. That meant, the sinners were stubborn in WILL but God would make Ezekiel more stubborn so he would not quit preaching to them. So the forehead speaks of the WILL.

And then we read of the FATHER'S WILL being done by those who enter the Kingdom. Jesus then said that those who hear Christ's words and do them are the wise man who built on a rock and the house does not FALL. The sinner builds on sand and sees his house FALL.

Rev 14 shows the ones with the Father's name in their foreheads STAND on a mount (THE ROCK) with Jesus, while BABYLON (in Rev 14:8) (Babylon was literally built on sand) FALLS. The pattern is amazingly identical if we see that the Father's name on the forehead stands for the WILL OF THE FATHER.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Austin

...To me I don't care if it is tomorrow or next year. I don't care if satan rises up in the world because he and he's hell raisers are already here tormenting people all the day long. I don't care if a temple is built in Jerusalem or in China I'm ready now...

Well amen, because it isn't tomorrow, or next year, but now, right now.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by mfblume

God is consistent with his symbols. When something is on the forehead in one instance in a vision, then the other instance is similar and of the same nature, albeit opposite when we speak of the enemy's mark and the father's name.


The mark of the beast is mentioned SEVEN TIMES in Revelation, but hardly anyone knows that the SEAL OF GOD in the forehead is also mentioned SEVEN TIMES. Revelation shows OPPOSITES in the enemy's camp to what is in God's camp. And the mark is not the only thing. The NAME OF THE BEAST is mentioned as well, which is opposite to the Father's name. Everyone hears of MARK. What about the NAME and NUMBER of the beast? Whatever the nature of the forehead is in the mark issue is the same with the father's name reference. This keeps consistency in biblical use of imagery.

I studied the thought and noticed that Rev 14 coincides with Matthew 7. Jesus said we cannot enter the Kingdom unless we do the WILL of the FATHER. Ezekiel was told one day that God would make his FOREHEAD harder than the sinners forehaeads. That meant, the sinners were stubborn in WILL but God would make Ezekiel more stubborn so he would not quit preaching to them. So the forehead speaks of the WILL.

And then we read of the FATHER'S WILL being done by those who enter the Kingdom. Jesus then said that those who hear Christ's words and do them are the wise man who built on a rock and the house does not FALL. The sinner builds on sand and sees his house FALL.

Rev 14 shows the ones with the Father's name in their foreheads STAND on a mount (THE ROCK) with Jesus, while BABYLON (in Rev 14:8) (Babylon was literally built on sand) FALLS. The pattern is amazingly identical if we see that the Father's name on the forehead stands for the WILL OF THE FATHER.

Amen. And illuminating, ty. Please contrast your possible belief in all this happening "someday" with the Biblical truth that "someday" is when you decide to do the will of God.