George Zimmerman Case

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

He wasn't a man.
He was 17.

I don't know about you but I was a MAN at 17. I know because I got called "young man" a lot :-)

Seriously, 17 isn't a child. Especially today. Just because we don't give them the legal privileges to vote and get drunk is irrelevant. They drive, get jobs, have sex and even have babies. Physically 17 year olds are men and women

Had he died some other way, we would be inclined to say that this boy died before he even had a chance to live life, or that this boy died without even knowing what life is even about.

That doesn't make him not a man...And that is very subjective. When does someone finally "live life"? 18? One more year and he suddenly is a man and has experienced life?

TM wasn't "high" when this incident happened.

Whether he was or wasn't is irrelevant really. I'd be more interested in the guy packing heat being under the influence

As for lying, the defendant and his wife are the ones whose word has been compromised-- "How much money do you have?"

One like does not make everything a lie...most of us are guilty of having told a lie once in our lives

Also, "Neighborhood Watch" is not supposed to be armed when on duty. Their training indicates this and their training is for them to "watch" not confront-- especially when NOTHING is happening right in front of you.

Is that a law or a rule?

The defendant will have this on his conscience for the rest of his life, if he's any kind of decent human being. He knows that had he not followed that 17 year old, none of this would be happening-- but he did follow him, based on his decision to prejudge TM's intents and to act on his prejudice instead of following the instructions of the dispatch.

That's like saying "If she had not worn that short skirt she never would have been raped"....

Neighborhood Watch. young man in a hoodie walking between houses? I don't care what skin color he is, I'd be suspicious too. Where I am at night...I get out of my car you can be sure I am AWARE and every kid walking toward me or near my eyesight is under suspicion and they can be WHITE for all I care.

True I don't believe he should have gotten out of the car and followed this guy but that is not justifiable to provoke a physical beating

I use the word "prejudge" because that is what the defendant did. He decided TM was guilty of doing something or even guilty of about to do something.

Neighborhood Watch
Young man in a hoodie cutting between houses...

Who wouldn't be suspicious?

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Julian

I agree. Should have never spoken to him and done what the 911 operator said.

You cannot instigate a fight and because you are losing shoot the guy then call it self-defense.

Rather Martin was a gang-banger or not he was just walking and committing no crime at the time. There was no reason for him to comfront Martin.

Martin may have a checkered past, but churches do have ex gang members. Now one is in his grave without a chance to repent.

Newman, is that you???

[Julian]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

Newman, is that you???

Nope, I have no idea who Newman is. When it comes to the command of the english language we both may be idiots, but 2 totally different idiots.

I am a honest to goodness new member here.

[Esther]

It is my opinion they will do everything possible to try and convict Z.

Judge has already said TM criminal past can not be entered in rhe trial.

So Im sure they will use the young innicent looking photos and try and make him look innocent.

The law is suppose to be innocent if reasonable doubt.

There is a lor of reasonable doubt IMO

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esther

It is my opinion they will do everything possible to try and convict Z.

Judge has already said TM criminal past can not be entered in rhe trial.

So Im sure they will use the young innicent looking photos and try and make him look innocent.

The law is suppose to be innocent if reasonable doubt.

There is a lor of reasonable doubt IMO

Depends on the charges presented to the jury. Negligent Homicide would be the easiest to prosecute, IMO.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by n david

I don't think it hinges on his injuries. Honestly, he's planning on testifying in his defense. That's really what it hinges on.

The jury foreman on the Jodi Arias case said it was her 18-day testimony that ruined her.

It's a risky move to be sure. But I believe Jodi was guilty with overwhelming evidence against her - the opposite is true with Zim.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by n david

Depends on the charges presented to the jury. Negligent Homicide would be the easiest to prosecute, IMO.

I thought they were going for murder one. No?

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Julian

Nope, I have no idea who Newman is. When it comes to the command of the english language we both may be idiots, but 2 totally different idiots.

I am a honest to goodness new member here.

I didn't think it was a misspelling. Newman always used to use that word in place of 'whether'. She was unique in that, and it tickled me to see you using it as well. Just playin' around.

Welcome, new member!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I thought they were going for murder one. No?

No, the charge is 2nd degree; and depending on what statutes and rules the jury are given, the 2nd degree may be pretty difficult. After that, there's always negligent homicide and then acquittal.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know about you but I was a MAN at 17. I know because I got called "young man" a lot :-)

Seriously, 17 isn't a child. Especially today. Just because we don't give them the legal privileges to vote and get drunk is irrelevant. They drive, get jobs, have sex and even have babies. Physically 17 year olds are men and women


That doesn't make him not a man...And that is very subjective. When does someone finally "live life"? 18? One more year and he suddenly is a man and has experienced life?


Whether he was or wasn't is irrelevant really. I'd be more interested in the guy packing heat being under the influence


One like does not make everything a lie...most of us are guilty of having told a lie once in our lives


Is that a law or a rule?


That's like saying "If she had not worn that short skirt she never would have been raped"....

Neighborhood Watch. young man in a hoodie walking between houses? I don't care what skin color he is, I'd be suspicious too. Where I am at night...I get out of my car you can be sure I am AWARE and every kid walking toward me or near my eyesight is under suspicion and they can be WHITE for all I care.

True I don't believe he should have gotten out of the car and followed this guy but that is not justifiable to provoke a physical beating



Neighborhood Watch
Young man in a hoodie cutting between houses...

Who wouldn't be suspicious?

I was 17 when I joined the USMC. 17 is NOT a child. I qualified to be apart of one of the finest organizations in the world that has helped defend this nation and her freedoms for many years.